From: Loran <loran@invalid.net>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics,alt.politics.trump,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.usa.republican
Subject: Re: By The Way, Trump Is Not Yet A Convicted Felon - Loser Loses
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 15:10:26 -0600
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Alan wrote:
> On 2024-06-12 13:59, Loran wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-12 13:52, Loran wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-06-12 13:14, CaLaVeRa wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/12/2024 2:04 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-06-12 12:56, CaLaVeRa wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/12/2024 10:25 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-06-12 07:55, Loran wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Conviction takes place at the jury verdict.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But not the formal administration of a "felony".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That occurs *after* sentencing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And that sentencing isn't until July 11th, so this obvious bit
>>>>>>>>>> of corruption is now out;
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/manhattan-da-trump-prosecutor-set-congress-july-12-111025235
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> WASHINGTON -- WASHINGTON (AP) â Manhattan District Attorney
>>>>>>>>>> Alvin Bragg has agreed to testify before Congress on July 12,
>>>>>>>>>> a day after former President Donald Trumpâs sentencing in his
>>>>>>>>>> hush money trial.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A spokesperson for Bragg's office confirmed Tuesday that he
>>>>>>>>>> will appear before the House Select Subcommittee on the
>>>>>>>>>> Weaponization of the Federal Government alongside Matthew
>>>>>>>>>> Colangelo, the former high-ranking Justice Department official
>>>>>>>>>> who was hired by Bragg in 2022 and helped lead the Trump
>>>>>>>>>> investigation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...just so you know...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> DUMB FUCK!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 'Sentence on date of conviction. The court may sentence the
>>>>>>>>> defendant at the time the conviction...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which they chose not to.
>>>>>>> But not sentencing him at the time of conviction means that the
>>>>>>> time of conviction is definitely prior to sentencing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Point sustained.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> July 11th = sentencing date.
>>>>>
>>>>> Explain how someone can be sentenced after conviction...
>>>>
>>>> Pretty easily according to NY state law:
>>>
>>> Do you even do more than look up words, Loser-2?
>>
>> Words have meanings, please learn from the material shared here, moron.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> https://nyccriminallawyer.com/ny-criminal-system/sentencing-in-new-york/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> New York City Criminal Attorney Explains âSentencingâ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> SENTENCING occurs post-conviction and can be decided by either judge or
>>>
>>> "post-conviction" i.e. "after conviction".
>>>
>>> Let's rewrite that sentence:
>>>
>>> "SENTENCING occurs after conviction..."
>>>
>>>
>>>> jury. Essentially this is the âpunishmentâ for your conviction in a
>>>> crime. Some crimes have what is called âmandatoryâ sentencing,
>>>> meaning that the judge is limited in leniency by statutes and
>>>> regulations.
>>>>
>>>> Itâs a common misconception that juries rather than judges determine
>>>> sentences for crimes. While this is usually true in capital
>>>> punishment cases, itâs not true for other types of cases. Judges
>>>> determine the punishment, or sentence, for a crime. After being
>>>> convicted, or found guilty, of a crime, no matter how the conviction
>>>> came about, the appropriate punishment is doled out by the judge.
>>>>
>>>> There are many different types of sentences that judges can impose
>>>> upon you:
>>>>
>>>> â Monetary retribution in the form of fines or restitution.
>>>> â Incarceration in jail for up to one year.
>>>> â Incarceration in prison for over one year.
>>>> â Probation, which is in essence, a suspended sentence that may be
>>>> revoked if terms are violated.
>>>> â Community service.
>>>> â Work ethic camp.
>>>> â Drug and alcohol rehabilitation.
>>>> â Deferred Adjudication / Pretrial Diversion â these programs offer
>>>> defendants a chance to avoid a criminal record.
>>>>
>>>> Unless there are extenuating circumstances, sentencing comes almost
>>>> immediately after a conviction when the infractions committed are
>>>> not âseriousâ crimes or when the defendant enters a guilty plea. In
>>>> criminal cases where the outcome weighs more heavily upon the
>>>> convicted person and his/her victims, outside opinions will be taken
>>>> into consideration before a sentence is handed down. The
>>>> prosecution, defense and probation department will all have their
>>>> say, and the probation departmentâs pre-sentence report is taken
>>>> into consideration. Normally, a judge will consider the following
>>>> factors before handing down a sentence:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> â Criminal history or lack thereof.
>>>> â If the defendant was the perpetrator or an accessory.
>>>> â If the crime was committed under duress or extreme stress.
>>>> â Whether or not anyone was injured or put people at risk of being
>>>> injured.
>>>> â Amount of cruelty, destruction, or vindictiveness the defendant
>>>> showed towards the victim.
>>>> â Remorse.
>>>>
>>>> There are different types of sentences that can be handed down by
>>>> the judge. They include:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Concurrent sentences are ones that must be served simultaneously
>>>> with another sentence.
>>>> Consecutive sentences are ones where the defendant is convicted of
>>>> several counts of a crime and the punishment must be served one
>>>> sentence after another with no âbreaks.â
>>>> Deferred sentences are sentences that must be served at a later time.
>>>> Determinate sentences are exact in their time frame and the entire
>>>> sentence must be completed before released from prison or jail.
>>>> Final sentencing concludes a criminal case, whereas interlocutory or
>>>> interim sentencing is not.
>>>> Indeterminate sentences are ones that end in the phrasing ânot more
>>>> thanâ or ânot less thanâ a specific amount of time.
>>>> Mandatory sentences are created by state law and give the judge no
>>>> options for leniency. Every day of a mandatory sentence must be served.
>>>> Maximum sentences are used in cases where cries were committed in
>>>> the extreme. The sentence is the limit of how long a person can be
>>>> held for a crime before the state is required to release that person.
>>>> Minimum sentences are used to set the minimum amount of time a
>>>> person must spend in prison before being released on parole.
>>>> Presumptive sentences are those which specify an average time frame
>>>> to be used as a basis for the amount of time one must spend behind
>>>> bars.
>>>> Flat sentences are ones without a minimum or maximum specified time
>>>> frame.
>>>> Suspended sentences are ones that are postponed after a conviction
>>>> or it may be one that postpones a sentence until it has been
>>>> pronounced.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Before a sentence is handed down, your defense attorney will have
>>>> the chance to speak on behalf of the defendant or you have the
>>>> opportunity to use your own voice. The prosecution also has the
>>>> chance to speak.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ...if they're not actually convicted until sentencing,
>>>>
>>>> \\__YOU'RE STUCK IN A WHIRLPOOL OF YOUR OWN SEMANTIC NITWITTERY__//
>>>>
>>>> Trump will not be formally sentenced until July 11th.
>>>>
>>>> Period.
>>>
>>> "SENTENCING occurs after conviction..."
>>
>> It would be only slightly abnormal for it to occur before, much as
>> Judge Merchan and Bragg would have preferred it to!
>
> Yes... ...words have meanings.
>
When you finger them out, do poast again, creepy liarman.
But as badly as they queered their co-prosecution anything is up for
grabs now.
Learn what mistrial means.
You have permission to look that up yourself after you clap all the
erasers out, child.