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On 2024-06-17, Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote:
> On 2024-06-16, CaLaVeRa <cv@invalid.org> wrote:
>> On 6/16/2024 1:28 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-15 22:34, JTEM wrote:
>>>>   Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-06-15 16:28, AlleyCat wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gov. Whitmer Touted 12,000 EV, Battery Jobs. Billions Later, Only 
>>>>>> 200 Were
>>>>>> Created
>>>>
>>>>> What you leave out is that it was only in 2022...
>>>>
>>>> Lie. It's pretty consistent, across the board, where the claims
>>>> regarding ANYTHING "alternative" fall far short of the reality.
>>>>
>>>> They want you to believe that their future, the one they are
>>>> willing to allow us, is going to be exactly like the present
>>>> only all our energy will be coming from windmills, and everyone
>>>> will be driving EVs.
>>>>
>>>> This is never going to happen. It can't and they don't want it
>>>> to.
>>>>
>>>> I remember when EVs came out I pointed out how they do one
>>>> thing and one thing only, and that's raise the price of cars,
>>>> price people out of cars.
>>>>
>>>> It worked. They priced people out of cars. People are poorer.
>>>> They can't afford as much. Which, by definition, means they
>>>> are poorer.
>>>>
>>>>        ...they claim that a Dodge Hornet has something like a
>>>> "600 day supply." Which means that, at the current rate of
>>>> sales, it'll take 600 days to clear all those cars off of the
>>>> dealership lots.
>>>>
>>>> The Ford F series lost about 250,000 sales. In 2023 they were
>>>> down to 750k units.
>>>>
>>>> People are priced out of cars. This is a trend that will
>>>> continue. The divide between the Haves and Have-Nots will
>>>> rapidly expand into a canyon of pain.
>>>>
>>>> This is all thanks to the policies you endorse here.
>>> 
>>> New car sales are down because cars are lasting far, FAR longer than 
>>> they used to.
>>> 
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> That is already baked in, has been for the past 20 years.
>>
>> Try again, liar:
>>
>> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/used-car-prices-fall-again-in-april-down-nearly-17-from-pandemic-highs-162758735.html
>>
>> Kelley Blue Book estimates Americans purchased 35.9 million used 
>> vehicles last year from dealers and private parties, just below 2022’s 
>> 36.3 million. Used vehicle purchases more than doubled new retail sales 
>> last year, which KBB estimates hit 15 million vehicles.
>>
>> Manheim also noted weakness in the EV market in April, where automakers 
>> like Tesla (TSLA) are cutting retail prices, hurting prices paid in the 
>> used market.
>>
>> The firm noted that seasonally adjusted EV values last month were down 
>> 17.5% from the prior year. For non-EV cars, prices fell 13.1%.
>>
>> Still, KBB wrote in a report last week that lower prices aren't expected 
>> to boost auto sales figures, which have held steady in recent months.
>>
>> Data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis showed that in April, car and 
>> light truck sales came in at an annualized rate of 15.7 million 
>> vehicles, down modestly from a peak rate of 16.1 million in December. In 
>> the years before the pandemic, auto sales tended to float between an 
>> annualized rate of 17 and 18 million vehicles.
>>
>> "The Conference Board Consumer Confidence Index declined 5.9% in April, 
>> as views of both the present economic situation and the near future 
>> declined. Consumer confidence was down 6.5% year over year. Plans to 
>> purchase a vehicle in the next six months declined from last month but 
>> remained higher than a year ago.”
>>
>> https://money.com/used-car-prices-decline-prediction/
>>
>> Experts predict that used car prices could decline by as much as 14% as 
>> the market recovers from supply disruption issues that sent costs soaring.
>>
>> A new report from CarGurus states that used and new vehicle prices will 
>> likely moderate this year and for the next several years. According to 
>> the online vehicle marketplace, there's a lot of room for prices to fall 
>> if vehicle inventory returns to normal volumes, as expected.
>>
>> Why used car prices are falling
>>
>> Used vehicle prices are falling in part because high auto loan rates are 
>> scaring away potential buyers.
>>
>> In a separate report on Friday, Jonathan Smoke, chief economist at Cox 
>> Automotive, said that “demand is tepid at best, as shoppers just don’t 
>> have any urgency to buy in the current economic environment.”
>>
>> The average auto loan interest rate for used vehicle purchases was 11.9% 
>> at the end of 2023, up from 10.4% a year earlier, according to Experian.
>>
>> Also, the used market had been competitive for years because there was 
>> such a lack of supply of new vehicles. Now that new vehicle supply has 
>> bounced back, more buyers are shopping in that market again. Roberts 
>> says the effect is reduced competition for used vehicles.
>>
>
>
> People are buying cars.
> They just aren't buying ev cars.
> The potential early adopter market has dwindled as people learn the downsides of owning an ev.
>
COVID hurt sales and the supply chain issues slowed the production of new cars and at the same 
boosted the prices of used cars. The final nail in the coffin has been the insane interest rates. 
The EV sales have stagnated as people are waiting for better technology, which is coming, and of 
course a charger infrastructure.

I just switched insurance companies and surprisingly for homeowner's insurance I was asked if I own 
a Tesla or any other brand of EV, NOT a Hybrid, and if I parked it my garage?

That was an interesting discussion.

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