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Frank wrote on 8/30/2024 10:17 AM:
> On 8/30/2024 6:04 AM, Intelligent Party wrote:
>> On 8/22/2024 11:58 AM, Intelligent Party wrote:
>>> On 8/22/2024 11:45 AM, Intelligent Party wrote:
>>>> Raise Lake Shasta 200 Feet and thereby add 10 million acre feet of 
>>>> water.
>>>>
>>>> Put in the Ah Pah Dam and thereby add 15 million acre feet of 
>>>> water.  On
>>>> the Klamath River and form a scenic lake.
>>>>
>>>> Put in the Dos Rios Reservoir and thereby add 7 million acre feet of
>>>> water.  On the Eel River
>>>>
>>>> Do these projects and then there will be enough water for the 
>>>> Peripheral
>>>> Canal, and a fledgling UC Fresno.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> These would be Federal Water Programs, and there is runoff for the
>>>> State.  These are huge projects like the Hoover Dam, yet desperately
>>>> needed if we are to have an Empire of 40 million people in 
>>>> California as
>>>> we have.
>>>>
>>>> The farmers are 80% of the water, and are Federal water.
>>>> The homes are 20% of the water, and are State water.
>>>> There is runoff from Federal to State.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For comparison purposes, Lake Mead and Lake Powell, the nation's two
>>>> largest reservoirs are 25 million Acre Feet of water each.
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is pertinent intelligence accumulated so far, on, ca.water:
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ca.water/y5tkrEW4Gkk
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>>
>>
>> The Hoover Dam cost $49 million to build in 1930, equal to $860 
>> million today.  Per Quora, we think it would cost much more today, 
>> closer to $10 billion.
>> https://www.quora.com/How-much-would-it-cost-to-build-the-Hoover-Dam-from-scratch-in-todays-dollars-and-under-todays-construction-rules 
>>
>>
>> If it cost $10 Billion
>>
>> The San Diego County Carlsbad Desalinization plant cost about $1 
>> billion to build
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_%22Bud%22_Lewis_Carlsbad_Desalination_Plant 
>>
>>
>> It produces 50 million gallons of fresh water per day or 18.25 
>> billion per year.
>>
>> If a dam allowing storage of 10 million acre feet, such as the Hoover 
>> Dam cost $10 billion to build, we calculate that 1 acre foot of water 
>> is 325,851 gallons, and 10 million acre feet of water 
>> 3,258,509,400,000, 3.2 Trillion gallons of stored water.
>>
>> We also calculate that 10 such desalinization plants as the one in 
>> San Diego County, costing $10 billion total, would produce 18.25 
>> billion x 10, 182.5 billion gallons of fresh water per year.  Or 
>> 500,000,000 gallons x 365 days, also 182,500,000,000 gallons yearly.
>>
>> We thus conclude, that because 3.2 trillion gallons is 17.85 times 
>> 182.5 billion gallons, dams still make more sense that desalinization 
>> plants.
>>
>>
>> If you were storing only 1 million acre feet, it would still be 1.785 
>> time more water to have damns.
>>
>> Maybe we can build desalinization plants more efficiently in the 
>> future?   Maybe there are economies of scale?
>>
>> If you stored 10 million acre feet, and the dam only cost $1 billion 
>> it would be 178.5 times more water.  However, we should not build 
>> damns that fail, and it should be a Federal project.
>>
>>
>> If there is anything wrong with this analysis, please correct it.
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> Might add that dam generates electricity 

A reservoir requires rain. The reservoir dries up in drought years. Sea 
water is an unlimited resource.

> where desalinization requires electricity to run.

Electricity can come from solar, wind or nuclear. Use the excess 
capacity during low-demand hours for desalination.