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From: Mittens Romney <robberbaron@invalid.ut>
Newsgroups: can.politics,sci.environment,alt.global-warming
Subject: Re: "North Pole Could Be Ice Free In 2000, uh 2008, uh, 2014, uh,
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2024 09:05:42 -0600
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider

Dhu on Gate wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:22:26 -0700, Alan wrote:
> 
>> On 2024-09-02 14:12, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2024-09-02 4:50 p.m., Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-09-02 13:42, Mittens Romney wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-09-02 12:44, Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 09:43:48 -0700, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2024-09-02 09:33, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <vb4ov2$2thdj$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-09-02 07:14, AlleyCat wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 13:24:29 -0700,  Alan says...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And just to be clear, that "record low" from 2007 was broken...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And just to be clear, ALL of those records are not in play
>>>>>>>>>>> anymore, since... you know... the ice has come
>>>>>>>>>>> back.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So much for global warming.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Has it, though?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Has the Arctic ice minimum fallen from 6.9 million square
>>>>>>>>>> kilometres in
>>>>>>>>>> 1979 to 4.37 million square kilometres in 2023?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So what. The world will do whatever it wants.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again, you don't see the cognitive dissonance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another ad-hominem, aye?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You not understanding what "cognitive dissonance" means doesn't make
>>>>>> it and ad hominem (which doesn't get a hyphen, BTW)
>>>>>
>>>>> You fetid bot-twat, you wept like a crybaby when I semantically
>>>>> disassembled your "create fresh water" mumble-news into mockery.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're a sad drink of hypocritical spite.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are you always utterly delusional...
>>>>
>>>> ...or is it only when you're drunk or on other drugs?
>>>
>>> Is this the same ice cap that has been receding since the end of the
>>> last ice age?  I live in the middle of the Niagara Peninsula and just
>>> about a mile north of my house is the Fonthill kame, a pile of sand and
>>> gravel that was deposited here as the glaciers started to melt and
>>> recede. They have been receding for about 15000 years. They were
>>> receding since men lived in caves. I am not saying man has not impacted
>>> the rate of recession but I think it is pretty clear that it is
>>> happening anyway, just like it had happened four times before this.
>>>
>>
>> But whether we have changed the rate matters.
> 
> Why?  We've changed that "rate" before: HomoE burned Sibr from Yurp to Korea
> and we're still here.  The whole "climate change catastrophe" is a media
> event intended to make the rich richer and blame the commons for their current,
> and chronic, mismanagement.
> 
> Dhu
> 
> 
100% true!

https://www.zerohedge.com/weather/atlantic-tropics-are-completely-broken

The Atlantic tropics are completely broken, unable to produce tropical 
storms even w/off the charts "climate fueled" oceans.

Our models no longer work, forecasters can't figure it out.  This is not 
normal.

While Saharan dust clouds have contributed to dry and stable air just 
above the surface, the circulation from the Northeast Atlantic over the 
cold Canary Current has penetrated even more dry air deep into the 
tropics. We haven't seen this in 50 years.

The meteorologist pointed to the massive 2022 eruption of the underwater 
volcano in Tonga, known as Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha'apai, that catapulted 
plumes of soot, water vapor, and sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere, 
leading to what some are saying is the driving force behind the Earth's 
most recent warming trends...

Separately, John Shewchuk, a certified consulting meteorologist, wrote on X:

"This is expected because of the unprecedented Tonga volcano which is 
causing an unprecedented global warming spike which is now showing up in 
the models as unprecedented failures -- because the models are tuned to 
only known air/ocean dynamics. Tonga is causing unknown effects."

In 2023, we asked: "Is Tonga's Volcano Eruption Set To Warm Earth?"

Why do leftist corporate media outlets refuse to even acknowledge the 
Tonga volcano as a possible driver in the recent tick-up in global 
warming?  It's probably because it doesn't align with the narrative that 
human-produced carbon dioxide drives climate change.

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