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From: AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.global-warming,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.usa.republican
Subject: Re: "North Pole Could Be Ice Free In 2000, uh 2008, uh, 2014, uh,
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2024 12:05:49 -0500
Organization: AlleyCat Computing, Inc.


On Tue, 3 Sep 2024 21:53:36 -0700,  Alan says...  

> > The extant of ice, of the Arctic, of any random glacier
> > FLUCTUATES!
> 
> Why is it that none of you understand that RATE of change matters.
> 
> In less than 50 years, minimum Arctic sea ice extent has decrease by 
> more than 36%.

And HOW, exactly, do you know that's never happened before? Prove it. This is NOT one of those cases where 
you can't prove a negative.

It will be easy for you to prove that ice never melted as fast as it is now, IF you have half a brain.


PLATE IV Tree stump (Picea glauca) in the North Canadian tundra.

The stump, radiocarbon dated about 4940 years (±140) B.P., is seen still standing on a steep
bank on the Tuktoyaktuk Peninsula (69°7'N 133°16'w) which borders the Arctic Ocean (Beaufort
Sea) east of the delta of the Mackenzie River in extreme northwest Canada. This tree in what is now
tundra shows wider growth rings than the nearest present-day spruce forest 80-100 km farther south,
near Inuvik in the lowest part of the Mackenzie River valley.
(Photograph kindly supplied by Professor J. C. Ritchie of Scarborough College, Toronto University, and 
reproduced with his kind permission.)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWmZWEdasAEgG1H?format=jpg&name=medium

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Trees don't lie, but climate scientists do.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWmUEW4agAEVpkD?format=jpg&name=medium

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Earth was much warmer 5,000 years ago, the Arctic Ocean was likely ice-free, and trees grew all the way to 
edge of the Arctic Ocean in what is now permafrost.
#ClimateScam
https://sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0033589499921233
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWmSP89a4AAdg7w?format=jpg&name=large

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