From: Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Newsgroups: alt.global-warming,can.politics,alt.politics
Subject: Re: "Green" Solar Panels
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2024 16:55:43 -0700
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
On 2024-10-04 16:37, R Kym Horsell wrote:
> In alt.global-warming Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-10-04 14:34, Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 13:55:51 -0700, Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-10-01 01:40, R Kym Horsell wrote:
>>>>> In alt.global-warming Dhu on Gate <campbell@neotext.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 23:19:24 -0500, AlleyCat wrote:
>>>>>>> Nebraska, USA: Within minutes, a single hailstorm reduced 14,000 solar
>>>>>>> panels, worth millions of dollars, into a pile of toxic debris-leaching
>>>>>>> materials like cadmium and lead into the soil.
>>>>>> Lotta folks don't get how fragile hi-tech shit is.
>>>>>> Dhu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Long gone are the days of servicing your own vehicle.
>>>>> Apart from oiling some bearings you can't and sometimes are
>>>>> prohibited by law from fixing your own car.
>>>>> I was helping a neighbor recently and it turned out you
>>>>> needed to break an old mil grade encryption to even ask it here it hurt.
>>>> What kind of car was that?
>>>> All cars built for sale in North America have had a standard OBD-II port
>>>> that can be read by various scanners costing anywhere from $20...
>>>> ...to a lot more depending on complexity.
>>>> So what was that "mil grade encryption", hmmm?
>>> You've not looked at automobile firmware, EVER, have you?
>> You think you need to break the encryption on the firmware to get
>> diagnostic information?
> ...
>
> Things are not usually as simple as you might hope. :)
> Modern cars have a network.
I'm quite aware of that, thanks.
> The batteries, the fuel system, the
> ignition, the dashboard, the lights, are all on a mini internet.
No. It is NOT a "mini internet".
> You think this is not encrypted? What if a thief got in there
> and convinced the central locking system it has received a pass key
> from a key or fob?
Well since thieves ARE breaking into cars using the CANbus network, your
thesis that it must be encrypted has already failed, hasn't it?
>
> And the more compliacted things get the more complex they HAVE to
> get just to catch up to the first part of the complications.
> And the best part about this from the biz angle -- it makes it easier
> to fence off access to something and charge anyone that wants access rent.
> So obviously we're on a path where everything will become increasingly
> more complex and costly.
I have no doubt that there can be edge cases where the OBD system of the
car doesn't display the necessary information for a problem.
But the vast majority of cases let the owner purchase a (relatively)
inexpensive tool that allows that to learn things that would have cost
that hundreds if not thousands of dollars at an auto shop.