From: R Kym Horsell <kymhorsell@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.global-warming,can.politics,alt.politics
Subject: Re: "Green" Solar Panels
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2024 00:21:57 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: kymhorsell.com
In alt.global-warming R Kym Horsell <kymhorsell@gmail.com> wrote:
> In alt.global-warming Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-10-04 16:37, R Kym Horsell wrote:
>>> In alt.global-warming Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-10-04 14:34, Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 13:55:51 -0700, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-10-01 01:40, R Kym Horsell wrote:
>>>>>>> In alt.global-warming Dhu on Gate <campbell@neotext.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 23:19:24 -0500, AlleyCat wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Nebraska, USA: Within minutes, a single hailstorm reduced 14,000 solar
>>>>>>>>> panels, worth millions of dollars, into a pile of toxic debris-leaching
>>>>>>>>> materials like cadmium and lead into the soil.
>>>>>>>> Lotta folks don't get how fragile hi-tech shit is.
>>>>>>>> Dhu
>>>>>>> Long gone are the days of servicing your own vehicle.
>>>>>>> Apart from oiling some bearings you can't and sometimes are
>>>>>>> prohibited by law from fixing your own car.
>>>>>>> I was helping a neighbor recently and it turned out you
>>>>>>> needed to break an old mil grade encryption to even ask it here it hurt.
>>>>>> What kind of car was that?
>>>>>> All cars built for sale in North America have had a standard OBD-II port
>>>>>> that can be read by various scanners costing anywhere from $20...
>>>>>> ...to a lot more depending on complexity.
>>>>>> So what was that "mil grade encryption", hmmm?
>>>>> You've not looked at automobile firmware, EVER, have you?
>>>> You think you need to break the encryption on the firmware to get
>>>> diagnostic information?
>>> ...
>>> Things are not usually as simple as you might hope. :)
>>> Modern cars have a network.
>> I'm quite aware of that, thanks.
>>> The batteries, the fuel system, the
>>> ignition, the dashboard, the lights, are all on a mini internet.
>> No. It is NOT a "mini internet".
>>> You think this is not encrypted? What if a thief got in there
>>> and convinced the central locking system it has received a pass key
>>> from a key or fob?
>> Well since thieves ARE breaking into cars using the CANbus network, your
>> thesis that it must be encrypted has already failed, hasn't it?
> ...
>
> Circular logic. Why dont you imaging this involves "breaking encryption"? :)
>
Tell you what. Before you say something is "impossible"
why dont you check with google to see if everyone knows it's possible?
An In-Vehicle Network Security Protocol Based on Dynamic #
In view of the multi-functional mixedcriticality characteristics of
automotive electronic system, a security protocol for vehicle CAN
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network based on dynamic encryption is #
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