From: Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Newsgroups: alt.global-warming,can.politics,alt.politics
Subject: Re: "Green" Solar Panels
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2024 17:32:48 -0700
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
On 2024-10-04 17:21, R Kym Horsell wrote:
> In alt.global-warming R Kym Horsell <kymhorsell@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In alt.global-warming Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-04 16:37, R Kym Horsell wrote:
>>>> In alt.global-warming Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-10-04 14:34, Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 13:55:51 -0700, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-10-01 01:40, R Kym Horsell wrote:
>>>>>>>> In alt.global-warming Dhu on Gate <campbell@neotext.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 23:19:24 -0500, AlleyCat wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Nebraska, USA: Within minutes, a single hailstorm reduced 14,000 solar
>>>>>>>>>> panels, worth millions of dollars, into a pile of toxic debris-leaching
>>>>>>>>>> materials like cadmium and lead into the soil.
>>>>>>>>> Lotta folks don't get how fragile hi-tech shit is.
>>>>>>>>> Dhu
>>>>>>>> Long gone are the days of servicing your own vehicle.
>>>>>>>> Apart from oiling some bearings you can't and sometimes are
>>>>>>>> prohibited by law from fixing your own car.
>>>>>>>> I was helping a neighbor recently and it turned out you
>>>>>>>> needed to break an old mil grade encryption to even ask it here it hurt.
>>>>>>> What kind of car was that?
>>>>>>> All cars built for sale in North America have had a standard OBD-II port
>>>>>>> that can be read by various scanners costing anywhere from $20...
>>>>>>> ...to a lot more depending on complexity.
>>>>>>> So what was that "mil grade encryption", hmmm?
>>>>>> You've not looked at automobile firmware, EVER, have you?
>>>>> You think you need to break the encryption on the firmware to get
>>>>> diagnostic information?
>>>> ...
>>>> Things are not usually as simple as you might hope. :)
>>>> Modern cars have a network.
>>> I'm quite aware of that, thanks.
>>>> The batteries, the fuel system, the
>>>> ignition, the dashboard, the lights, are all on a mini internet.
>>> No. It is NOT a "mini internet".
>>>> You think this is not encrypted? What if a thief got in there
>>>> and convinced the central locking system it has received a pass key
>>>> from a key or fob?
>>> Well since thieves ARE breaking into cars using the CANbus network, your
>>> thesis that it must be encrypted has already failed, hasn't it?
>> ...
>>
>> Circular logic. Why dont you imaging this involves "breaking encryption"? :)
>>
>
> Tell you what. Before you say something is "impossible"
> why dont you check with google to see if everyone knows it's possible?
I never said that anything was impossible.
>
> An In-Vehicle Network Security Protocol Based on Dynamic #
> In view of the multi-functional mixedcriticality characteristics of
> automotive electronic system, a security protocol for vehicle CAN
> ***************************************
> network based on dynamic encryption is #
> ****************************************************
>
Why did you break off right at that last "is", R Kym?
Hmmmm?
It couldn't be because the next word was "proposed", could it?
And what is the clear implication of the use of the word "proposed"?
Hmmm?
CANbus (Controller Area Network) as used in cars currently...
...IS NOT ENCRYPTED.