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From: Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics,alt.politics.trump,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.usa.republican
Subject: Re: "I Was Trump?s Ghostwriter. A New Biopic Gets the Most Important Thing Right."
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2024 11:04:01 -0600
Organization: UTB

In article <vem5u6$1ose0$12@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
> 
> On 2024-10-15 09:20, Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <vem4b8$1ose0$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
> >>
> >> On 2024-10-15 05:32, Skeeter wrote:
> >>> In article <vekh1m$1dger$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2024-10-14 12:32, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>> In article <vejlsq$19kmg$22@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2024-10-14 10:53, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article <vejlme$19kmg$18@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 2024-10-14 10:40, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> In article <vejkoh$19kmg$7@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-12 19:01, AlleyCat wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Oct 2024 16:16:35 -0700,  Alan says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> BUTWHATABOUT
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Except Biden didn't steal documents, Chicken.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, he did.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Some of the documents he had were NOT for EX-VPs to have.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> "Special counsel Robert Hur released a searing report Thursday that concluded President Joe Biden willfully retained
> >>>>>>>>>>> and disclosed classified military and national security information."
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> "The report found that Biden knew about the classified documents in his home as far back as 2017, when he was no longer
> >>>>>>>>>>> vice president, and that he shared some of the information with a ghostwriter for his memoir published that year."
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> False.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> You should read the entire report.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Why would they want to have a trial then? Joe was found to frail to
> >>>>>>>>> stand trial. WTF is that?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> A traitorous act.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> CNN: Facts First: Biden's claim that none of the classified material found in his possession was highly classified is
> >>>>>>>>>>> false, according to details provided by the special counsel. Hur reported the discovery of documents in Biden's
> >>>>>>>>>>> possession that had markings identifying them as "Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information," a very high level of
> >>>>>>>>>>> classification - plus handwritten notebooks from Biden's time as vice president that weren't marked as classified but
> >>>>>>>>>>> that "contain information that remains classified up to the Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information level."
> >>>>>>>>>> But do you stick to your story that it wasn't theft when Trump:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Deliberately took documents.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> And denied he had them?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Nope.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Oh, you poor little Chicken:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 'It is not our role to assess the criminal charges pending against Mr.
> >>>>>>>> Trump, but several material distinctions between Mr. Trump's case and
> >>>>>>>> Mr. Biden's are clear. Unlike the evidence involving Mr. Biden, the
> >>>>>>>> allegations set forth in the indictment of Mr. Trump, if proven, would
> >>>>>>>> present serious aggravating facts.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified
> >>>>>>>> documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite.
> >>>>>>>> According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents
> >>>>>>>> for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to
> >>>>>>>> destroy evidence and then to lie about it. In contrast, Mr. Eiden turned
> >>>>>>>> in classified documents to the National Archives and the Department of
> >>>>>>>> Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations including his
> >>>>>>>> homes, sat for a voluntary interview. and in other ways cooperated with
> >>>>>>>> the investigation.'
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So? Biden was just as guilty.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nope:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 'In contrast, Mr. Eiden turned in classified documents to the National
> >>>>>> Archives and the Department of Justice, consented to the search of
> >>>>>> multiple locations including his homes, sat for a voluntary interview.
> >>>>>> and in other ways cooperated with the investigation.'
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> All those are the exact opposite of "just as guilty".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> and you buy that fucking story?
> >>>>
> >>>> It's Robert Hur's account of the events, Chicken.
> >>>
> >>> The same guy that gave Joe a free pass?
> >>
> >> The Republican attack dog agrees that Biden probably took the documents
> >> inadvertently when he left office...
> > 
> > How do you "inadvertently" take classified documents? Not to
> > responsible.
> >>
> >> ...and that Trump took documents deliberately.
> > 
> > So?
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Who is Mr. Eiden?
> >>>>
> >>>> An error in the OCR software.
> >>>
> >>> You need that to type a word?
> >>
> >> That's the form of the document from which I copied and pasted, doofus.
> >>
> >> <https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf>
> >>
> >> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u8P0DSw5s5jinA1CRdd4eqoy2ABXazY_/view?usp=sharing>
> >>
> >> See the text there?
> > 
> > Not bothering to look. After you started snipping I stop being serious.
> >>
> >> 'PDF Producer: Adobe Acrobat Pro (32-bit) 23 Paper Capture Plug-in'
> >>
> >> <http://users.wfu.edu/yipcw/atg/adobe/acrobat/adobe-acrobat-paper-capture.htm>
> >>
> >> You retype paragraphs and paragraphs, do you?
> > 
> > Not at all. Why do you ask?
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> There's the source I used:
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf>
> >>>>
> >>>> And here's a screenshot of the page:
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jp2UQlLcebUqwRP9UrbTZkqaNZbPiVUG/view?usp=share_link>
> >>>>
> >>>> Notice that the text it shows is "Biden" in that sentence.
> >>>
> >>> So you fucked up.
> >>
> >> I didn't notice that it OCR'ed a "B" as an "E"!
> >>
> >> How will I live with myself?!?
> > 
> > By not being stupid.
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> But it's a PDF with an image of the text in one layer and the OCR result
> >>>> in a layer beneath so you can copy and paste the text.
> >>>
> >>> What does that have to do with Joe getting a pass for taking documents?
> >> It lays out exactly why Hur (Republican loyalist) didn't recommend charges.
> > 
> > Why didn't he?
> 
> He said the evidence wouldn't prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt.
> 
> Over and over and over...

Then why was a trial even brought up?
> 
> Page 1:
> 
> 'However, for the reasons summarized below, we conclude that the 
> evidence does not establish Mr. Biden's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.'
> 
> Page 4:
> 
> 'Nevertheless, we do not believe this evidence is sufficient, as jurors 
> would likely find reasonable doubt for one or more of several reasons.'
> 
> 'Several defenses are likely to create reasonable doubt as to such charges.'
> 
> Page 200:
> 
> 'But the evidence falls short of proof beyond a reasonable doubt that 
> Mr. Biden retained and disclosed these classified materials willfully.'
> 
> Page 203:
> 
> 'Nevertheless, for the reasons below, we believe this evidence 1s not 
> strong enough to establish Mr. Biden's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.'
> 
> Page 204:
> 
> 'THE EVIDENCE FALLS SHORT OF ESTABLISHING MR. BIDEN'S WILLFUL RETENTION 
> OF THE CLASSIFIED AFGHANISTAN DOCUMENTS BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT'
> 
> Page 220:
> 
> 'There is also insufficient evidence that Mr. Biden willfully retained 
> the handwritten Thanksgiving memo'
> 
> Page 227:
> 
> 'We conclude that this evidence does notestablish Mr. Biden's guilt 
> beyond a reasonable doubt.'
> 
> Page 232:
> 
> 'The evidence does not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Mr. Biden 
> willfully retained the notebooks'
> 
> Page 242:
> 
> 'We also believe some of the same evidence that supports reasonable 
> doubt for the classified Afghanistan documents also supports reasonable 
> doubt for the notebooks, including Mr. Biden's cooperation with the 
> investigation'
> 
> 'Finally, the two main sets of evidence summarized above, suggesting Mr. 
> Biden knew he was not allowed to keep classified notebooks, do not 
> suffice to prove his willfulness beyond a reasonable doubt.'
> 
> Page 244:
> 
> 'For these reasons, we do not believe the government could prove beyond 
> a reasonable doubt that Mr. B1den knew it was unlawful to retain his 
> notebooks at his home after the vice presidency.'
> 
> 'The evidence does not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Mr. Biden 
> willfully disclosed national defense information in the notebooks to his 
> ghostwriter'
> 
> 'But we do not believe the evidence supports charges of willful 
> disclosure beyond a reasonable doubt.'
> 
> Page 247:
> 
> 'But the evidence does not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he 
> intended to share classified information.'
> 
> Page 304:
> 
> 'Insufficient evidence exists to prove Mr. Biden willfully retained the 
> classified information in the EYES ONLY envelope
> 
> There is insufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that 
> Mr. Biden intentionally retained the classified documents in the EYES 
> ONLY envelope after his term as vice president or caused his staff to do 
> so.'
> 
> Page 311:
> 
> 'Nonetheless, there is reasonable doubt that Mr. Biden willfully 
> retained documents A9 and A10.'

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