From: Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.trump,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics
Subject: Re: Judge Delays Ruling On Donald Trump's Criminal Conviction And
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2024 09:34:22 -0800
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
On 2024-11-14 21:33, AlleyCat wrote:
>
> On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 18:20:40 -0800, Alan says...
>
>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:18:28 -0800, Alan says...
>>>
>>>>>>> "You're not convicted unless the judge enters a judgment
>>>>>>> of guilt against you," explains Yale's Jed Rubenfeld,
>>>>>>> "And the judge still has the power... to throw out that
>>>>>>> verdict and enter a judgment of acquittal."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Except he didn't DO that.
>>>>>
>>>>> But he still can.
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>
>>> So... you CLAIM is that he can't.
>>>
>>> Prove it, hypocrite.
>
>> I provided the law, loser.
>
> Still didn't make him a "convicted felon". Provide it again, because
> I'm not gonna waste my time looking for it, and we'll go over it and
> look for the words that count.
>
> Until then... Trump is STILL not a convicted felon and might not
> EVER be, since Judge Merchan...
>
> ... Delays Decision On Tossing Trump's Hush Money Conviction - NBC
> News
>
> https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/judge-trump-hush-money-
> case-delays-key-ruling-ahead-sentencing-rcna179763
Did you read your own source, doofus:
'Trump was convicted in May on 34 felony counts related to hush money
payments made to adult film actor Stormy Daniels. He has denied any
wrongdoing.'
>
> 2 days ago - In response, Merchan's clerk said the joint request for
> a stay had been granted and ordered prosecutors from Manhattan
> District Attorney Alvin Bragg's office to state their position by 10
> a.m. on ...
>
> The judge overseeing Donald Trump's New York criminal trial delayed
> a key ruling Tuesday on whether the president-elect's conviction
> should be set aside, according to correspondence between the
> parties.
>
> Trump's team wants the case dismissed, and the prosecution says it
> needs time to evaluate next steps now that Trump has been elected
> for a second term. The court has granted them a week's delay to
> provide their positions, the clerk informed them in a court filing.
>
> In a letter to state Judge Juan Merchan, prosecutors said they
> agreed with Trump's request for a stay to consider how to proceed
> given his new status as president-elect.
>
> "The People agree that these are unprecedented circumstances and
> that the arguments raised by defense counsel in correspondence to
> the People on Friday require careful consideration to ensure that
> any further steps in this proceeding appropriately balance the
> competing interests of (1) a jury verdict of guilt following trial
> that has the presumption of regularity; and (2) the Office of the
> President," prosecutor Matthew Colangelo wrote in a letter to the
> judge.
Did you read your own source, doofus:
'Trump was convicted in May on 34 felony counts related to hush money
payments made to adult film actor Stormy Daniels. He has denied any
wrongdoing.'
>
> =====
>
> A "Verdict" Does Not Make a "Convicted Felon"
>
> Judge Merchan Postpones Ruling On Whether To Dismiss Trump Guilty
> Verdict
>
> https://www.newsweek.com/judge-merchan-postpones-ruling-whether-
> dismiss-trump-guilty-verdict-1984464
>
> 2 days ago - Merchan twice postponed Trump's sentencing after the
> Supreme Court ruled on July 1 that presidents have broad immunity
> from prosecution over their official acts. The decision also
> restricted prosecutors from using those actions to bolster a case
> centered on personal conduct.
Again:
'Trump became the first former president convicted of a felony when a
jury in May convicted him on 34 counts of falsifying business records'
>
> =====
>
> Judge Delays Decision On Tossing Trump's Hush Money Conviction - NBC
> News
You can't "toss" a conviction if he hasn't yet been convicted.
>
> https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/judge-trump-hush-money-
> case-delays-key-ruling-ahead-sentencing-rcna179763
>
> 2 days ago - In response, Merchan's clerk said the joint request for
> a stay had been granted and ordered prosecutors from Manhattan
> District Attorney Alvin Bragg's office to state their position by 10
> a.m. on ...
'Trump was convicted in May on 34 felony counts related to hush money
payments made to adult film actor Stormy Daniels.'
>
> =====
>
> What Judge Merchan Agreeing To More Delay In Trump's Hush ... -
> MSNBC
>
> https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/
> merchan-delay-trump-hush-money-case-new-york-rcna179771
>
> 2 days ago - Merchan delayed the sentencing until September and then
> to Nov. 26 because of the election, setting Tuesday as the date on
> which he would decide whether to overturn the verdicts or dismiss
> the case.
'He was convicted as a private citizen.'
>
> =====
>
> Judge Delays Ruling On Donald Trump's Criminal Conviction And
> Sentencing
>
> https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-delays-ruling-donald-
> trump-151404084.html
>
> 2 days ago - A New York judge has delayed ruling on whether Donald
> Trump's hush money conviction should be overturned in light of the
> Supreme Court's ruling on presidential immunity. Judge Juan
> Merchan ...
>
'A New York judge has delayed ruling on whether Donald Trumpâs hush
money conviction should be overturned in light of the Supreme Courtâs
ruling on presidential immunity.'
You can't "overturn" something that hasn't already happened.
> =====
>
> Trump Sentencing In Limbo As Merchan Weighs Hush Money Case - NBC
> New York
>
> https://www.nbcnewyork.com/new-york-city/donald-trump-news-
> sentencing-hush-money-merchan-toss-case-presidential-
> immunity/5976557/
>
> 2 days ago - New York Judge Juan M. Merchan, who presided over
> Trump's historic trial, had been scheduled to decide whether to toss
> out the jury verdict and order a new trial - or even dismiss the
> charges altogether. The judge's ruling was also expected to speak to
> whether the former and now future commander-in-chief will be
> sentenced as scheduled Nov. 26.
'Trump was convicted in New York of 34 counts of falsifying business
records...'
>
> =====
>
> Where Does Trump's Hush-Money Sentencing Go From Here?
>
> https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/where-does-trumps-hush-money-
> sentencing-go-from-here.html
>
> 2 days ago - Judge Juan Merchan had been expected to issue a ruling
> on whether the Supreme Court's decision regarding presidential
> immunity has any impact on Trump's upcoming sentencing in his hush-
> money ...
'In May, Trump was convicted on 34 counts of falsifying business records
in connection to payments made to adult-film star Stormy Daniels in
exchange for her silence about an alleged affair.'
>
> =====
>
> Judge To Decide Whether Trump's Hush Money Conviction Can Stand
That literally means he has been convicted.
>
> https://www.reuters.com/world/us/judge-decide-whether-trumps-hush-
> money-conviction-can-stand-2024-11-10/
>
> 4 days ago - Even if Merchan allows the conviction to stand, experts
> expect Trump's lawyers to ask the judge to delay the sentencing.
> Trump faces a sentence of up to four years in prison after being
> convicted ...
You can't "overturn" something that you claim hasn't happened yet.
'Trump in May became the first U.S. president to be convicted of a crime...'
>
> =====
>
> Judge Delays Decision On Whether To Dismiss Trump's Felony
> Convictions
> > https://san.com/cc/judge-delays-decision-on-whether-to-dismiss-
> trumps-felony-convictions/
>
> 2 days ago - Manhattan Judge Juan Merchan agreed to delay his
> decision on Tuesday, Nov. 12, on whether to dismiss President-elect
> Donald Trump's New York hush money convictions until Tuesday, Nov.
> 19. The delay is to give prosecutors and Trump's lawyers more time
> for new arguments following the results of the 2024 presidential
> election earlier this month.
Again, you can't dismiss what hasn't happened.
When a judge is deciding whether to dismiss charges...
...that means the charges have already happened.
When a judge is deciding whether to dismiss a conviction...
...the conviction has already happened.
>
> =====
>
> Judge Juan Merchan Delays Trump Hush-Money Conviction Ruling |
> National ...
>
> https://www.nationalreview.com/news/judge-delays-ruling-on-whether-
> to-toss-trump-hush-money-conviction-given-presidential-immunity/
>
> 2 days ago - Merchan said he would delay his decision until next
> Tuesday, November 19. The judge granted the prosecution's request to
> delay the hearing. Trump was due to be sentenced on November 26.
'In May, Trump was convicted for falsifying business records related to
a $130,000 hush-money payment he gave porn star Stormy Daniels in 2016.
Daniels claimed she slept with Trump in 2006 that resulted in the
payment to buy her silence. '
Seriously, you think these are supporting your claim?
EVERY...
...SINGLE...
...SOURCE...
...YOU PROVIDED...
...says that he WAS convicted...
...including the extreme right-wing National Review!
You need to stop drinking before you post, Pussey.