From: Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.trump,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics
Subject: Re: So You're Telling Me There's a Chance!
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2024 11:17:46 -0800
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
On 2024-11-15 11:06, AlleyCat wrote:
>
> https://i.imgur.com/zATG7ay.mp4
>
> On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 09:34:22 -0800, Alan says...
>
>>> Still didn't make him a "convicted felon". Provide it again,
>>> because I'm not gonna waste my time looking for it, and we'll go
>>> over it and look for the words that count.
>>>
>>> Until then... Trump is STILL not a convicted felon and might not
>>> EVER be, since Judge Merchan...
>>>
>>> ... Delays Decision On Tossing Trump's Hush Money Conviction -
>>> NBC News
>>>
>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/judge-trump-hush-
>>> money- case-delays-key-ruling-ahead-sentencing-rcna179763
>>
>> Did you read your own source, doofus:
>
>> 'Trump was convicted in May on 34 felony counts related to hush
>> money payments made to adult film actor Stormy Daniels. He has
>> denied any wrongdoing.'
>
> Still didn't make him a "convicted felon".
That's not what your own source says.
You're literally contradicting your own source.
>
>> Did you read your own source, doofus:
>>
>> 'Trump was convicted in May on 34 felony counts related to hush
>> money payments made to adult film actor Stormy Daniels. He has
>> denied any wrongdoing.'
>
> Still didn't make him a "convicted felon".
That's not what your own source says.
You're literally contradicting your own source.
>> Again:
>>
>> 'Trump became the first former president convicted of a felony
>> when a jury in May convicted him on 34 counts of falsifying
>> business records'
>
> Still didn't make him a "convicted felon".
That's not what your own source says.
You're literally contradicting your own source.
>>> Judge Delays Decision On Tossing Trump's Hush Money Conviction -
>>> NBC News
>>
>> You can't "toss" a conviction if he hasn't yet been convicted.
>
> Well... if he hasn't been convicted yet, what the fuck are you
> whining about?
Your own source says the decision is about "tossing" a conviction.
That requires there to have BEEN a conviction.
>
>> 'Trump was convicted in May on 34 felony counts related to hush
>> money payments made to adult film actor Stormy Daniels.'
>
> Still didn't make him a "convicted felon".
That's not what your own source says.
You're literally contradicting your own source.
>> 'He was convicted as a private citizen.'
>
> Still didn't make him a "convicted felon".
That's not what your own source says.
You're literally contradicting your own source.
>> 'A New York judge has delayed ruling on whether Donald Trump?s
>> hush money conviction should be overturned in light of the Supreme
>> Court?s ruling on presidential immunity.'
>>
>> You can't "overturn" something that hasn't already happened.
>
> So... Still not a "convicted felon".
That's not what your own source says.
You're literally contradicting your own source.
>> 'Trump was convicted in New York of 34 counts of falsifying
>> business records...'
>
> Still didn't make him a "convicted felon".
That's not what your own source says.
You're literally contradicting your own source.
>> 'In May, Trump was convicted on 34 counts of falsifying business
>> records in connection to payments made to adult-film star Stormy
>> Daniels in exchange for her silence about an alleged affair.'
>
> Still didn't make him a "convicted felon".
That's not what your own source says.
You're literally contradicting your own source.
>>> Judge To Decide Whether Trump's Hush Money Conviction Can Stand
>>
>> That literally means he has been convicted.
>
> You said above that it hasn't happened yet, so...
>
> ... Still not a "convicted felon".
No. YOU claim it hasn't happened.
You can't overturn something that hasn't happened.
>
>> You can't "overturn" something that you claim hasn't happened yet.
>
> You said above that it hasn't happened yet, so...
>
> ... Still not a "convicted felon".
That's not what your own source says.
You're literally contradicting your own source.
>> 'Trump in May became the first U.S. president to be convicted of a
>> crime...'
>
> May?
>
> You said above that it hasn't happened yet, so...
>
No. YOU said that.
> ... Still not a "convicted felon".
That's not what your own source says.
You're literally contradicting your own source.
>> Again, you can't dismiss what hasn't happened.
>
> Well... if he hasn't been convicted yet, what the fuck are you
> whining about?
He has been convicted...
...as every single source you just provided agrees.
>
>> When a judge is deciding whether to dismiss charges...
>>
>> ...that means the charges have already happened.
>>
>> When a judge is deciding whether to dismiss a conviction...
>>
>> ...the conviction has already happened.
>
> But you said it hasn't yet, so... ... not... ... yet... ...
> convicted.
>
>> Seriously, you think these are supporting your claim?
>
> Jes.
>
>> EVERY...
>>
>> ...SINGLE...
>>
>> ...SOURCE...
>>
>> ...YOU PROVIDED...
>>
>> ...says that he WAS convicted...
>
>> ...including the extreme right-wing National Review!
>>
>> You need to stop drinking before you post, Pussey.
>
> But, still not a felon, since judgment hasn't been rendered.
All your own sources disagree.
>
> =====
>
>
> The judge hasn't entered the JUDGMENT OF GUILT yet, so no...
> CERTAINLY not a "convicted felon".
>
> Rubenfeld emphasized that Trump is not yet a convicted felon because
> the judge has not entered a JUDGMENT OF GUILT.
>
> See? Pansy-ass little child thinks he's smarter than a REAL lawyer.
>
> Has the JUDGE entered a JUDGMENT OF GUILT? HAS he, Juan Merchan,
> approved the verdict and enter a final judgment?
>
> Nope and nope, so no... Trump is still NOT A CONVICTED FELON.
> Doesn't REALLY matter though... does it? (see below)
>
> You should simply have read this article which explains it... even
> in New York:
>
> Rubenfeld emphasized that TRUMP IS NOT YET A CONVICTED FELON BECAUSE
> THE JUDGE HAS NOT ENTERED A JUDGMENT OF GUILT. He explained THAT IN
> NEW YORK, this judgment is expected to be entered on July 11, the
> same day as Trump's sentencing.
>
> You lose again, loser.
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/why-donald-trump-isnt-a-
> convicted-felon-yet/ar-BB1no6oV
>
> Until then, he remains NOT A CONVICTED FELON, but that could change
> depending on the outcome. Read more: What's Really Going On With
> Donald Trump's Marriage. Trump's Sentencing Isn't Until July 2024.
>
> =====
>
> According To One Legal Expert, Donald Trump Isn't A Convicted Felon
>
> https://www.grunge.com/1593064/donald-trump-not-convicted-felon-
> heres-why/
>
> May 31, 2024 - "FYI: due to odd quirk in the law, TRUMP IS NOT A
> 'CONVICTED FELON' UNTIL SENTENCING, which is July 11 - Th. You will
> hear that term a lot but it's legally inaccurate until July 11 -
> Th," he wrote. So far, a number of major publications have used such
> language in their stories about the Trump verdict, hence
"one".
>
> =====
>
> Donald Trump Isn't A Convicted Felon
>
> Rubenfeld emphasized that TRUMP IS NOT YET A CONVICTED FELON because
> the judge has not entered a JUDGMENT OF GUILT. He explained that in
> New York, this judgment is expected to be entered on July 11, the
> same day as Trump's sentencing.
>
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/why-donald-trump-isnt-a-
> convicted-felon-yet/ar-BB1no6oV
>
> Until then, he remains NOT A CONVICTED FELON, but that could change
> depending on the outcome. Read more: What's Really Going On With
> Donald Trump's Marriage. Trump's Sentencing Isn't Until July 2024.
Same one.
>
> =====
>
> According To One Legal Expert, Donald Trump Isn't A Convicted Felon
>
> https://www.grunge.com/1593064/donald-trump-not-convicted-felon-
> heres-why/
>
> May 31, 2024 - "FYI: due to odd quirk in the law, TRUMP IS NOT A
> 'CONVICTED FELON' UNTIL SENTENCING, which is July 11 - Th. You will
> hear that term a lot but it's legally inaccurate until July 11 -
> Th," he wrote. So far, a number of major publications have used such
> language in their stories about the Trump verdict, hence
Same source repeated.
>
> =====
>
> Donald Trump Isn't A Convicted Felon
>
> Rubenfeld emphasized that TRUMP IS NOT YET A CONVICTED FELON because
> the judge has not entered a JUDGMENT OF GUILT. He explained that in
> New York, this judgment is expected to be entered on July 11, the
> same day as Trump's sentencing.
Same ONE "expert".
>
> =============================================================================
>
>
> Why TRUMP CAN STILL RUN FOR PRESIDENT After His Conviction - NBC
> News
>
> https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-still-run-
> president-guilty-verdict-conviction-rcna154801
>
> May 30, 2024 - Can Trump still run for president after his hush
> money conviction? The former president was convicted on 34 felony
> counts of falsifying business records and will be sentenced on July
> 11.
That literally says he WAS convicted.
>
>
> =====
>
> Can Trump Still Run For President? Can He Still Vote? - CNN
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/30/politics/can-trump-still-run-for-
> president-what-matters/index.html
>
> May 30, 2024 - Now that a New York jury has convicted former
> President Donald Trump of all 34 felony charges of falsifying
> business records, the next obvious question is: Can a convicted
> felon run for president?
So does this.
>
> The US Constitution lays out just three requirements for
> presidential candidates. They must:
>
> Be a natural born citizen. Be at least 35 years old. Have been a US
> resident for at least 14 years.
>
> Trump meets all three requirements.
>
> =====
>
> Trump Is Now A Convicted Felon: Can He Still Run For President? -
> USA TODAY -
>
> https://www.usaToday - .com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/05/30/
> donald-trump-convicted-felony-president/73904298007/
>
> May 30, 20241:09. Donald Trump is the first former president
> convicted of a crime in U.S. history, BUT IT WON'T STOP HIM FROM
> RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AGAIN. His conviction on Thursday does not bar
> him from ...
Another source that agrees he has been convicted.
>
> =====
>
> Trump Guilty Plea: Can He Still Run For President? Questions
> Answered
>
> https://www.usaToday - .com/story/news/2024/05/31/donald-trump-
> guilty-what-happens-now-7-major-questions-answered-jail-president-
> vote- cohen-daniels/73920427007/
>
> May 31, 2024 - Can Trump still run for president in 2024? Yes. The
> U.S. Constitution does not bar anyone from running for president
> after they become a felon. The only qualifications are the
> following:
>
> Be a natural born citizen. Be at least 35 years old. Have been a US
> resident for at least 14 years.
>
> Trump meets all three requirements.
"He [Trump] has vowed to appeal his conviction."
You say he hasn't been convicted, but even Trump disagrees.
>
> =====
>
> YES, INDICTED TRUMP CAN STILL RUN FOR PRESIDENT, But Winning Is
> A ...
>
> https://www.npr.org/2023/03/22/1164822171/trump-run-president-
> campaign-arrest-charges-voters-indictment
>
> Mar 22, 2023 - Yes, Trump can run for president. Fortunately for
> Trump, there's nothing in the Constitution prohibiting candidates
> with criminal records from holding office. In fact, an individual
> only has to be ...
>
This one literally has nothing to say about whether or not he was
convicted...
...because it was written before the conviction.
> =====
>
> What Happens After Trump Is Convicted In NY Trial? | TIME
>
> https://time.com/6980638/what-happens-if-donald-trump-convicted/
>
> May 21, 2024 - CAN TRUMP STILL RUN FOR PRESIDENT? YES. A felony
> conviction will not disqualify Trump from continuing his
> presidential campaign, even if he were jailed.
>
Did you read the headline you just copied?
> =====
>
> Could Trump Become President After Being Convicted Of A Crime? -
> Los ...
>
> https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2024-04-15/trump-trial-
> president-constitution-conviction
>
> Apr 15, 2024 - Published April 15, 2024 Updated May 30, 2024 3:04 PM
> PT. WASHINGTON -. Donald Trump became the first former president to
> be convicted of felony crimes. A New York jury on Wednesday found
> him ...
>
> COULD TRUMP BECOME PRESIDENT AFTER BEING CONVICTED OF A CRIME?
>
> YES.
>
> THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CONSTITUTION OR FEDERAL LAW THAT PREVENTS A
> FELON FROM HOLDING THE NATION'S HIGHEST OFFICE.
'Donald Trump became the first former president to be convicted of
felony crimes.'