From: Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.trump,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics
Subject: Re: Trump Sues Newspaper Over Election Interference
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2024 08:34:51 -0800
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
On 12/19/2024 4:19 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 08:33:49 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/17/2024 11:30 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>>> On 12/17/2024 10:48 AM, AlleyCat wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Pure election interference, JUST like 2016.
>>>>
>>>> It was election interference, plain and simple. Falsifying polls is
>>>> the same as telling people they don't need to vote, because your
>>>> candidate is too
>>>> far behind to win.
>>>
>>> This is just plain, fucking stupid. There is no way the poll was falsified.
>>
>> Interestingly, I hadn't considered the possibility that even if the poll
>> was falsified, it is protected speech under the First Amendment. But
>> Eugene Volokh did.
>>
>> https://reason.com/volokh/2024/12/18/trump-v-selzer-likely-going-nowhere/
>>
>
> Of course you didn't consider that.
>
> <eyeroll>
>
> Even freedom of speech of the press is limited when it comes to
> publishing malicious intent and full knowlege that the information is
> wrong. Just ask ABC and Boy George. This is not to say I agree that
> Trump should win but to debunk the idea that you can publish anything
> you want whenever you want.
Of course fraud and intentional lying is not protected (Volokh did not
say otherwise). But the poll is protected if Selzer believes the numbers
are real, even if the numbers are a lie. That is, Trump will have to
prove Selzer knew she was lying. No way (*). The lawsuit is frivolous.
Trump is a sore-winner, cry-baby, bully.
(*) As I explained in my other reply, she honestly believed in her
methodology and her numbers.