From: NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.trump,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics
Subject: Re: Trump Sues Newspaper Over Election Interference
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2024 09:59:43 -0500
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 08:11:02 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>On 12/20/2024 4:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 08:34:51 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/19/2024 4:19 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 08:33:49 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/17/2024 11:30 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/17/2024 10:48 AM, AlleyCat wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pure election interference, JUST like 2016.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was election interference, plain and simple. Falsifying polls is
>>>>>>> the same as telling people they don't need to vote, because your
>>>>>>> candidate is too
>>>>>>> far behind to win.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is just plain, fucking stupid. There is no way the poll was falsified.
>>>>>
>>>>> Interestingly, I hadn't considered the possibility that even if the poll
>>>>> was falsified, it is protected speech under the First Amendment. But
>>>>> Eugene Volokh did.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://reason.com/volokh/2024/12/18/trump-v-selzer-likely-going-nowhere/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course you didn't consider that.
>>>>
>>>> <eyeroll>
>>>>
>>>> Even freedom of speech of the press is limited when it comes to
>>>> publishing malicious intent and full knowlege that the information is
>>>> wrong. Just ask ABC and Boy George. This is not to say I agree that
>>>> Trump should win but to debunk the idea that you can publish anything
>>>> you want whenever you want.
>>>
>>> Of course fraud and intentional lying is not protected (Volokh did not
>>> say otherwise). But the poll is protected if Selzer believes the numbers
>>> are real, even if the numbers are a lie. That is, Trump will have to
>>> prove Selzer knew she was lying. No way (*). The lawsuit is frivolous.
>>> Trump is a sore-winner, cry-baby, bully.
>>
>> And if she knew they were a lie?
>
>She is not protected by the First Amendment.
Hence the lawsuit. We'll see what happens.
>
>>> (*) As I explained in my other reply, she honestly believed in her
>>> methodology and her numbers.
>>
>> Laughter. I'm sure. Wouldn't a responsible pollster go back and
>> examine what went wrong and publish those results?
>
>She did as I detailed in my other reply.
Appreciate your digging. Naturally the media did a great job of not
reporting this.