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From: Ned Ludd <nedludd@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.politics,can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Trudeau has resigned; what next?
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2025 19:08:48 -0800
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider

On 1/6/2025 5:19 PM, Tara wrote:
> On Jan 6, 2025 at 8:01:22 PM EST, "Tara" <jackpine@airpost.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2025 at 4:56:05 PM EST, "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/6/2025 12:52 PM, Tara wrote:
>>>> On Jan 6, 2025 at 3:33:12 PM EST, "David Dalton" <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Justin Trudeau has resigned from his position as
>>>>> leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, and has
>>>>> prorogued parliament until March 24, and will
>>>>> stay on as prime minister until a new leader
>>>>> is chosen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who do you think should (or will) replace him
>>>>> as Liberal leader?
>>>>
>>>> Hi David,
>>>> I don't like any of the potential candidates. The are all part of the old
>>>> guard. Carney is the only one who hasnt been in Trudeau's cabinet. But I don't
>>>> think he is a leader - Trudeau without the charisma :). Actually, I think
>>>> Dominic is the best bet. However, I think what they need is someone from
>>>> outside who can take the libs back to the Classic Liberal Party. There isn't
>>>> time for that though. Maybe in four years, eh.
>>>
>>>
>>> No, wait, Tara, there is a real possibility for you get a genuine
>>> change of direction here.
>>>
>>> Just relax, take a deep breath, and consider this:
>>>
>>> Elon Musk can become your next Prime Minister!
>>>
>>> And WOW, did Chatty screw up on this one!. Note that in the
>>> following, under point (1), Chatty claims that "there is no
>>> public record of him holding Canadian citizenship".
>>>
>>> HA! That's bogus. If you read the wiki article on Elon, it clearly
>>> states that Elon, "at the age of 18 he immigrated to Canada,
>>> acquiring its citizenship through his Canadian-born mother, Maye."
>>>
>>> SO, I asked Chatty point-blank (second block below) "Does Elon
>>> Musk hold Canadian citizenship?" To which Chatty instantly replied:
>>> "Yes, Elon Musk does hold Canadian citizenship. He acquired it
>>> through his mother, Maye Musk, who is Canadian.
>>>
>>> WHAT A SCREW UP!
>>>
>>> So, bottom line, if Elon just LIVES in Canada occasionally, he can
>>> be your next Prime Minister!
>>>
>>> Ned
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Q: Does the Canadian government rules prevent Elon Must from being Prime
>>> Minister?
>>>
>>> ChatGPT:
>>> Yes, there are specific rules that would likely prevent Elon Musk from
>>> becoming the Prime Minister of Canada, unless certain conditions are
>>> met. Here are the key points:
>>>
>>> 1. Canadian Citizenship
>>> To be eligible to become Prime Minister, an individual must be a
>>> Canadian citizen.
>>> Elon Musk, born in South Africa, holds U.S. citizenship and previously
>>> held South African citizenship, but there is no public record of him
>>> holding Canadian citizenship. If he is not a Canadian citizen, he would
>>> not qualify.
>>>
>>> 2. Membership in the House of Commons
>>> The Prime Minister of Canada is typically the leader of the political
>>> party with the most seats in the House of Commons. To be the Prime
>>> Minister, a person usually needs to be elected as a Member of Parliament
>>> (MP) in Canada.
>>> To become an MP, Elon Musk would need to run for election in a Canadian
>>> federal riding and win.
>>>
>>> 3. Residency and Political Involvement
>>> Canadian political leaders are generally expected to reside in Canada
>>> and actively participate in the country's political and public life.
>>> Musk’s primary residence and business activities are in the United
>>> States, which could be a significant obstacle.
>>>
>>> 4. Constitutional and Practical Considerations
>>> While there are no explicit constitutional rules that prohibit a
>>> non-Canadian-born individual from becoming Prime Minister (as long as
>>> they are a citizen and meet other criteria), the practicalities of
>>> running for office, leading a political party, and gaining widespread
>>> public support could be significant barriers.
>>>
>>> Unless Elon Musk obtains Canadian citizenship, establishes residency in
>>> Canada, and becomes deeply involved in Canadian politics, it is highly
>>> unlikely he could become Prime Minister.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Q: Does Elon Musk hold Canadian citizenship?
>>>
>>> ChatGPT:
>>> Yes, Elon Musk does hold Canadian citizenship. He acquired it through
>>> his mother, Maye Musk, who is Canadian. This citizenship allowed him to
>>> move to Canada in the late 1980s, where he briefly attended Queen’s
>>> University in Kingston, Ontario, before transferring to the University
>>> of Pennsylvania in the United States.
>>>
>>> Although Musk is a Canadian citizen, he primarily resides in the United
>>> States and conducts most of his business there. This would not
>>> disqualify him from pursuing Canadian political office, but he would
>>> still face significant practical and political barriers to becoming
>>> Prime Minister, such as establishing residency, participating in
>>> Canadian political life, and being elected as a Member of Parliament.
>>>
>>> ---
>> Canada would be much too boring for Musk. Wondering what he studied at Queens
>> and why he left (Queens is an excellent University).
>>   I wonder if Chatty would know what most Canadians think about Musk and
>> whether we would vote for him or not. I doubt that he would have the patience
>> to go through all the barriers and snail like speed that it takes to get
>> anything done here anyway. Maybe he could try having a lottery. -$100,000 per
>> vote
>> Nah :)
> 
> Oh..looks like were not impressed
> 
> https://www.cdmrn.ca/publications/2024-12-10-november-situation-report


I'm not sure what the second chart means, but the first one
kind of sums up Elon. He's tied with Taylor Swift in terms of
recognition, but when it comes to trusting him, Taylor swamps
him by 29% to 19%.

You're probably right about him being too bored with it. Which
he will certainly be if/when he runs head-on into the Washington
bureaucracy. It's been tried before, by many a president both
Democrat and Repub, and NONE have ever succeeded in reining
in the bureaucrats.

Ned