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On 2/13/25 22:34, Alan wrote:
> On 2025-02-13 19:28, pothead wrote:
>> On 2025-02-14, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2025-02-13 18:40, pothead wrote:
>>>> On 2025-02-14, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-02-13 15:59, pothead wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-02-13, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/13/25 12:06, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <vol75e$2vt9q$2@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2025-02-13 07:54, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <vojlpk$2k2g1$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com 
>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-02-12 18:32, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-02-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-02-12 05:40, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-02-10, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 09 Feb 2025 10:04:14 -0500, NoBody 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <NoBody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 14:01:45 -0500, -hh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/25 11:40 AM, AlleyCat wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 05:24:24 -0500, -hh says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Compared to Biden's EV initiative where $7.5 billion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollars has built ~10 chargers?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you research *why* before making that complaint?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The chargers were promised... the money was taken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHERE are the chargers?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you'd done your research, you'd know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Show us (if you can).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point is in 2021 the money, $7.5 billion, was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allocated to build
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a charging network across the US. So how many were built 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subsequent 3 years?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THAT is the point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. This is the kind of waste and government 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mismanagement that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOGE is uncovering.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That money was allocated doesn't mean it was SPENT.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Did I have claim it was spent?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 'This is the kind of waste and government mismanagement that 
>>>>>>>>>>> DOGE is
>>>>>>>>>>> uncovering.'
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That doesn't apply until the money is SPENT and you can look 
>>>>>>>>>>> at what you
>>>>>>>>>>> got for the money.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Read what I wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So again how many chargers did Biden build in ~3 years?
>>>>>>>>>>> How is that relevant?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How much was actually SPENT to get the chargers that were built?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and away he spins again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's a key part of the discussion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You agree that if they spend just $10,000 to build 10 chargers 
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> would be a bargain, right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They didn't and I didn't. How many did they build in 3 years?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looks like a direct reply is appropriate for this *clearly he's 
>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>> been project manager* poster too:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In 1962, JFK promised to land a man on the moon in ten years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By 1967, how many moon landings were there?
>>>>>>> Zero.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can't be serious.
>>>>>> Do you think someone could snap their fingers and send men to the 
>>>>>> moon?
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you familiar with the word "analogy"?
>>>>
>>>> Yea and comparing the moon mission to installing chargers is a joke.
>>>> They are not even close.
>>>>
>>>> You are an idiot if you believe they are.
>>>>
>>>>>> Darn you are scraping the bottom of the barrel.
>>>>>> This is even low for you hh.
>>>>>> The process was to take baby steps as they learned.
>>>>>> To compare that to installing a charger is laughable.
>>>>>> My local library installed 6 chargers in a day.
>>>>>
>>>>> So they agreed to do it and it was done the same day, huh?
>>>>
>>>> Keep spinning.
>>>> The goal was by the end of the decade.
>>>> Did Biden have such a time line?
>>>> Of course not.

False.  The legislation had an eight (8) year timeline, so it won't be 
completed until 2030 ...

And FYI, under nominal FAR provisions, that would be Obligations, so 
actual funds disbursements (aka "payments") would be valid thru 2032.


>>>> You libbys are really getting desperate here.
>>>
>>> Can't help noticing you didn't answer the question you were asked.
>>>
>>> I'll try again below.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nobody uses them but they are there.
>>>>>> Oh and my town is insane about rules, zoning, regulations and so 
>>>>>> forth.
>>>>>> Everybody has their hand out.
>>>>>
>>>>> So it didn't take a day, did it?
>>>>
>>>> Yes it did.
>>>> One day.
>>>> Six chargers installed.
>>> So no permits were required?
>>
>> Of course they were.
>> A couple weeks at most.
> 
> So NOT the day you insisted was true.

Busted.

>>> No preparation of a site?
>>
>> Simple. Do you have any idea?

Chargers require electricity from the grid, right, Mr "EE"?

How long does it take for you to get the allocation and provision for 
even just a 69kV drop to your site's transformer bank?  Or do you think 
that such connections are ubiquitous and a 'same day' installation too?

Because if the grid can't support the location and scale, you can easily 
be talking years working with the Utility just for provisioning.



>>> They decided on a Monday to install six chargers and they were done on
>>> Tuesday?
>>>
>>> Bullshit and you know it.
>>
>> Fact.
>> I'm not claiming the decision was made in a day, there was plenty of 
>> prep work but once the approval to install was granted, it took a 
>> single day.
>> Total time maybe 2 months.

So easily a 50x error in his claim.


>> Biden has had 3 years.
>>
>> So how many chargers has he built?
> 
> So you constructed a straw man.

Because the bill contained a lot more initiatives other than just 
chargers, pothead also needs to show that there was actually budget 
allocations for chargers in the first years too.

To use an analogy, if you have an 8 year project to build a new cruise 
ship, you don't buy linens & towels for the cabins in Year 1 (or 2, 3).


>> You can spin all you want but my statements stand and unless you can 
>> prove me wrong crawl back into your cave. 
>
> Your statement about it happening in a day certainly doesn't stand, now 
> does it?

Plus the location of this alleged charger installation hasn't been 
provided, so one can't independently fact check pothead's "prove me 
wrong" claim:  gosh, golly, what a surprise!  /s


-hh