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On 2/14/25 22:17, pothead wrote:
> On 2025-02-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> On 2/14/25 06:36, -hh wrote:
>>> On 2/13/25 22:34, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2025-02-13 19:28, pothead wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-02-14, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-02-13 18:40, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-02-14, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-02-13 15:59, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2025-02-13, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/13/25 12:06, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <vol75e$2vt9q$2@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-02-13 07:54, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <vojlpk$2k2g1$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-02-12 18:32, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-02-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-02-12 05:40, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-02-10, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 09 Feb 2025 10:04:14 -0500, NoBody
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <NoBody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 14:01:45 -0500, -hh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/25 11:40 AM, AlleyCat wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 05:24:24 -0500, -hh says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Compared to Biden's EV initiative where $7.5 billion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollars has built ~10 chargers?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you research *why* before making that complaint?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The chargers were promised... the money was taken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHERE are the chargers?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you'd done your research, you'd know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Show us (if you can).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point is in 2021 the money, $7.5 billion, was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allocated to build
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a charging network across the US. So how many were built
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subsequent 3 years?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THAT is the point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. This is the kind of waste and government
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mismanagement that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOGE is uncovering.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That money was allocated doesn't mean it was SPENT.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did I have claim it was spent?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'This is the kind of waste and government mismanagement that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOGE is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uncovering.'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesn't apply until the money is SPENT and you can look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at what you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got for the money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Read what I wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So again how many chargers did Biden build in ~3 years?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How is that relevant?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much was actually SPENT to get the chargers that were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and away he spins again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a key part of the discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You agree that if they spend just $10,000 to build 10 chargers
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> would be a bargain, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They didn't and I didn't. How many did they build in 3 years?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Looks like a direct reply is appropriate for this *clearly he's
>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>> been project manager* poster too:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In 1962, JFK promised to land a man on the moon in ten years.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> By 1967, how many moon landings were there?
>>>>>>>>>> Zero.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can't be serious.
>>>>>>>>> Do you think someone could snap their fingers and send men to the
>>>>>>>>> moon?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you familiar with the word "analogy"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yea and comparing the moon mission to installing chargers is a joke.
>>>>>>> They are not even close.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are an idiot if you believe they are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Darn you are scraping the bottom of the barrel.
>>>>>>>>> This is even low for you hh.
>>>>>>>>> The process was to take baby steps as they learned.
>>>>>>>>> To compare that to installing a charger is laughable.
>>>>>>>>> My local library installed 6 chargers in a day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So they agreed to do it and it was done the same day, huh?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keep spinning.
>>>>>>> The goal was by the end of the decade.
>>>>>>> Did Biden have such a time line?
>>>>>>> Of course not.
>>>
>>> False.  The legislation had an eight (8) year timeline, so it won't be
>>> completed until 2030 ...
>>>
>>> And FYI, under nominal FAR provisions, that would be Obligations, so
>>> actual funds disbursements (aka "payments") would be valid thru 2032.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> You libbys are really getting desperate here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can't help noticing you didn't answer the question you were asked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll try again below.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nobody uses them but they are there.
>>>>>>>>> Oh and my town is insane about rules, zoning, regulations and so
>>>>>>>>> forth.
>>>>>>>>> Everybody has their hand out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So it didn't take a day, did it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes it did.
>>>>>>> One day.
>>>>>>> Six chargers installed.
>>>>>> So no permits were required?
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course they were.
>>>>> A couple weeks at most.
>>>>
>>>> So NOT the day you insisted was true.
>>>
>>> Busted.
>>>
>>>>>> No preparation of a site?
>>>>>
>>>>> Simple. Do you have any idea?
>>>
>>> Chargers require electricity from the grid, right, Mr "EE"?
>>>
>>> How long does it take for you to get the allocation and provision for
>>> even just a 69kV drop to your site's transformer bank?  Or do you think
>>> that such connections are ubiquitous and a 'same day' installation too?
>>>
>>> Because if the grid can't support the location and scale, you can easily
>>> be talking years working with the Utility just for provisioning.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> They decided on a Monday to install six chargers and they were done on
>>>>>> Tuesday?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit and you know it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fact.
>>>>> I'm not claiming the decision was made in a day, there was plenty of
>>>>> prep work but once the approval to install was granted, it took a
>>>>> single day.
>>>>> Total time maybe 2 months.
>>>
>>> So easily a 50x error in his claim.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Biden has had 3 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> So how many chargers has he built?
>>>>
>>>> So you constructed a straw man.
>>>
>>> Because the bill contained a lot more initiatives other than just
>>> chargers, pothead also needs to show that there was actually budget
>>> allocations for chargers in the first years too.
>>>
>>> To use an analogy, if you have an 8 year project to build a new cruise
>>> ship, you don't buy linens & towels for the cabins in Year 1 (or 2, 3).
>>>
>>>
>>>>> You can spin all you want but my statements stand and unless you can
>>>>> prove me wrong crawl back into your cave.
>>>>
>>>> Your statement about it happening in a day certainly doesn't stand,
>>>> now does it?
>>>
>>> Plus the location of this alleged charger installation hasn't been
>>> provided, so one can't independently fact check pothead's "prove me
>>> wrong" claim:  gosh, golly, what a surprise!  /s
>>>
>>>
>>> -hh
>>
>> Gosh, did a certain "loud" poster suddenly become ... absent?   /s
>>
>>
>> -hh
> 
> Nope.
> I'm here.

And hiding.

> I've posted my points, you guys don't accept them so I'm
> going to try and convince you because it's a waste of time.

Your points were bullshit which is why they collapsed quickly like a 
deck of cards, showing that you have no clue on projects & leadtimes.

Likewise, Mr. "I'm an EE" hid from the basic project management question 
of scheduling with an utility, such as to provision high tension power 
to a jobsite.  So noted.

Sounds like your "EE" work was the Radio Shack Science Fair 65 In 1 
Electronic Project Kit.  Or Chief Inspector for the wheatstone bridge 
installed on a dot matrix printer's printhead.

-hh