From: AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com>
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Subject: They're Not "Transgender Mice" - But They're Not "Transgenic" Either, As Some Weirdo Psychos, Like Rudy Canoza and Scientists Claimed
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2025 00:41:39 -0600
Organization: AlleyCat Computing, Inc.
They're Not "Transgender Mice"
But They're Not "Transgenic" Mice Either, As Some Scientists Claimed
President Trump told Congress that the federal government is paying for
research to make "transgender mice." That's wrong. But his critics were
incorrect, too.
Last night, President Trump told Congress that federal dollars are being
spent to make "transgender" mice.
Some scientists countered online that the mice are not "transgender, " but,
rather "transgenic, " referring to a genetic technique that changes the DNA
of laboratory animals. Scientists create transgenic animals by inserting or
deleting genes-or introducing other remarkable modifications that cover an
incredible array of functions and implications. This powerful technique is
used to study countless diseases and scientific questions.
EVERYONE is wrong. (not really... Trump was trolling Congress)
The mice in the studies everyone is talking about were neither transgender
nor transgenic.
This all started when a member of Congress made a spectacle of these studies
at a hearing in February. That's why it is quite clear which subset of
studies were being referenced in President Trump's speech. He said the
government is spending $8 million on making transgender mice. The government
spends hundreds of millions of dollars on projects that use transgenic mice
to study dozens of diseases and biological mysteries.
The studies being misunderstood here do indeed concern INJECTING SEX HORMONES
into laboratory animals like mice and monkeys. Scientists are studying the
behavioral and biological effects that result from CHANGING THE HORMONAL
PROFILES of these animals.
INJECTING FEMALE MICE WITH TESTOSTERONE does not make them transgender. It
makes them masculinized. The inverse is true for male mice given estrogen or
testosterone blockers.
It may be splashy and salacious, but studies like these are actually often
well-worth doing for any number of reasons. Plenty of biologists can tell you
why it's important that we understand the endocrine system, the reproductive
system, and related scientific questions. But let's at least understand what
is really happening in these particular labs.
In the end, we want to fund science, not cut it. To get there, I'd rather
scientists spend their time demystifying why experiments involving CHANGES IN
SEX HORMONE PROFILES of animals are worthwhile than mis-characterizing
(albeit likely unintentionally) what is actually happening in these research
projects.
I imagine there is a large population of taxpayers that has no earthly idea
why we ought to be funding these endeavors. Worse, if you described these
studies to them, I think many of them would, at least initially, not see the
utility. But, through thoughtful conversations and explanations, I think many
(and maybe even most) people might end up supporting science that initially
seemed frivolous, if not downright off-putting.
Look, worse mistakes have been made by science communicators and I think
those dunking on the President had reason to be suspicious that he got
something wrong. That's because he and his allies don't seem to have any idea
what science is or why it matters. And, yes, the President was wrong. But he
was not entirely off-base, I suppose. Scientists are indeed masculinizing
female mice and monkeys and feminizing male mice and monkeys. That does not
make the animals "transgender, " and clearly President Trump doesn't
understand why these experiments have value. If he's curious-and I'm sure he
ain't - I'd be glad to tell him.
Regardless, it's always good to correct the record so that we can spend our
energy on the right fights.