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On 2025-03-13, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> On 3/12/25 18:38, Alan wrote:
>> On 2025-03-12 14:41, pothead wrote:
>>> On 2025-03-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2025-03-12 14:19, pothead wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-03-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-03-12 13:56, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-03-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-12 11:14, -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/8/Internal Democrat Polling Shows Party in Complete Brand 
>>>>>>>>> Collapse25 21:30, AlleyCat wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 8 Mar 2025 18:12:53 -0800,  Alan says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-08 18:03, AlleyCat wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 8 Mar 2025 11:55:25 -0800,  Alan says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-07 21:31, AlleyCat wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President Trump: "What we're doing is freeing up our 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forests from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the environmental nonsense that they put on them, where you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cut down a tree."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Canada has been ripping us off for years on tariffs for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lumber!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://x.com/i/status/1898058946339897426
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quick question:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who negotiated and signed the current trade deal between the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> US,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Mexico?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Quick question:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Who kept, for 4 years, the negotiated and signed current 
>>>>>>>>>>>> trade deal
>>>>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>>>> the US, Canada and Mexico, which will no longer BE current, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>> it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated and needs to be amended?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Time to sign a different one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I told you... We Don't NEED Your Lumber, rich boy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Who was it who negotiated it?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But, was it really?
>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: it's the same guy who's now claiming it was a terrible 
>>>>>>>>>>> deal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is... because it's outdated and needs to be amended.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Funny how that's not what what he signed said.  As signed, the 
>>>>>>>>> USMCA was
>>>>>>>>> for a 14 year term (renewable), which would be through December 
>>>>>>>>> 2033.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And while some changes can of course be negotiated prior to 
>>>>>>>>> that, the
>>>>>>>>> basic structure necessitates that they only be minor ones, 
>>>>>>>>> because the
>>>>>>>>> business investment needs are based on time horizons of easily a 
>>>>>>>>> decade
>>>>>>>>> if not longer.  Case in point, one would want the USMCA to be 
>>>>>>>>> renewed at
>>>>>>>>> least once (eg, 28 years) for having adequate ramp for applying
>>>>>>>>> depreciation IAW GAAP in one's corporate business planning.
>>>>>>>> And Trump just tweeted... ...sorry, he just "truthed":
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Why would our Country allow another Country to supply us with
>>>>>>>> electricity, even for a small area? Who made these decisions, and 
>>>>>>>> why?'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump is correct.
>>>>>>> Unless absolutely necessary.
>>>>>>> When the US depends upon other countries for needed goods then it 
>>>>>>> gives
>>>>>>> up all control.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you think is going to happen to the myriad of products, 
>>>>>>> say prescription
>>>>>>> drugs for example, if the USA gets in a war with China?
>>>>>> Trump negotiated and ratified the current trade deal with Canada (and
>>>>>> Mexico) which includes the terms under which the Canada and the US 
>>>>>> trade
>>>>>> in electricity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Furthermore, he is only abrogating the terms of that deal by declaring
>>>>>> an "economic emergency"...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...and the US congress has had to declare that days are not really 
>>>>>> days
>>>>>> anymore so that that declaration can go on without end.
>>>>>
>>>>> And it doesn't matter a hill of beans,
>>>>> Times change and deals may need to be renegotiated.
>>>>> Ever hear of actors, especially child actors, signing deals that they
>>>>> ended up renegotiating later because things changed?
>>>>
>>>> So you're saying Trump had the capacity of a child when he signed the 
>>>> USMCA?
>>>>
>>>> I can accept that.
>> 
>> You had nothing to reply to here, did you?
>> 
>> Was it on-topic enough for you?
>> 
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Carter sold the Panama canal for $1.00 after many Americans lost 
>>>>> their lives
>>>>> building it.
>>>>
>>>> How do those deaths justify it's control in perpetuity by the United 
>>>> States?
>> 
>> Same here.
>> 
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe back then it seemed harmless but it no longer is as China is 
>>>>> literally
>>>>> circling the place.
>>>>
>>>> Funny you should mention.
>>>>
>>>> Many Chinese workers died building the transcontinental railroad, so
>>>> should China not a have at least some control in perpetuity of your
>>>> railroads?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, depend upon foreign entities for critical needs and you give 
>>>>> up control
>>>>> and thus become weak and vulnerable.
>>>>
>>>> Not giving up control of territories when the local inhabitants want you
>>>> out makes you an aggressor.
>>>
>>> Score: -9999 for you again.
>>> Try staying on topic next time. 
>>
>> Except for a fun aside showing up your double-standard, all of what I 
>> posted was on-topic for what you previously replied.
>
> Pothead made a real cowardly & chickenshit duck-out.

Nope.
I choose not to engage in an ever ending meta thread where everything including
the kitchen sink gets brought into the discussion.


> FWIW, the parallel between Panama and the Trans-Continental Railway was 
> a quite astute point: the argument of compensation for 'sacrifice' cuts 
> both ways ... and while we're at it, let's take a chunk out of Red 
> States for past wrongs in slavery ... 40 acres sounds about right.

It's a fair point, but the crux of the discussion is the Panama canal
and from my POV trade agreements sometimes, often times in fact, need to
be renegotiated as things change.

I replied here:

" And it doesn't matter a hill of beans,
 Times change and deals may need to be renegotiated.
Ever hear of actors, especially child actors, signing deals that they
ended up renegotiating later because things changed? "

There was no agreement with the Trans-Continental Railway.
There is with the Panama Canal.




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> -hh


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pothead
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When you trim the fat, the pig squeals.
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