From: AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.global-warming,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.usa.republican
Subject: Re: Don't Worry About That Arctic Ice Thingy, You Know... It Disappearing Before 2030 - It's Already Gone
Date: Mon, 5 May 2025 23:41:00 -0500
Organization: AlleyCat Computing, Inc.
On Mon, 5 May 2025 08:59:12 -0700, Alan says...
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> On 2025-05-04 20:40, AlleyCat wrote:
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> > How can Arctic sea ice disappear before 2030, if Arctic sea ice vanished in 2013?
> >
> > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GqBea3zbQAANuXJ?format=jpg&name=large
> No one ever claimed it vanished in 2013
You are absolutely correct. Also, you are a humorless NPC drone.
> and no one even claimed it was definitely GOING to vanish by then.
If "going to" is the same as "will be", then, again... you're wrong, as usual.
If now, you're going to argue 2013 vs. 2014, fuck your bullshit semantics, you pedantic little pussy. I explain it later, you
humourless rich boy.
Ain't the Internet wonderful?
2009: Al Gore
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/02/facebook-posts/fact-checking-claims-al-gore-said-all-arctic-ice-w/
2009 - John Kerry... says Arctic WILL BE "Ice Free" By the Summer of 2014
"Sea ice, which is melting at a rate that the Arctic Ocean now increasingly is exposed. In 5 years, scientists predict we will
have the first ICE-FREE Arctic summer."
In 2007, researcher Wieslaw Maslowski predicted that the Arctic could be ice-free in the summer as early as 2013.
James Hansen, aka the "godfather" of climate science said that in five to 10 years, the Arctic WILL be free of sea ice in the
summer.
The Guardian, 2009: "Next year or the year after, the Arctic WILL free of ice".
Professor Wadhams SAID: "The Catlin Arctic Survey data supports the new consensus view - based on seasonal variation of ice
extent and thickness, changes in temperatures, winds and especially ice composition - that the Arctic WILL BE ICE-FREE in summer
within about 20 years, and that much of the decrease will be happening within 10 years."
Gerd Leipold, the outgoing leader of Greenpeace, admitted that his organization's recent claim that the Arctic Ice WILL DISAPPEAR
by 2030 was "a mistake." Greenpeace said in a July 15 press release that there will be an ice-free Arctic by 2030 because of
global warming. BBC reporter Stephen Sackur on the "Hardtalk" program pressed Leipold until he admitted the claim was wrong.
2050-2099: The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in its 2007 assessment, along with researchers at the National
Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC), generally predicted that the Arctic WOULD largely lose its summer ice cover in the latter part
of the 21st century.
Simply saying "could" instead of "would" or "will", does not excuse what you claim or predict. That's chicken shit and they only
say it in case they're wrong.
They're wrong.
Which of these statements WILL the Secret Service or Homeland Security pay more attention to?
"Trump might lose his Secret Service detail because of DoGE, meaning he COULD be dead by the end of this year."
"Trump might lose his Secret Service detail because of DoGE, meaning he WILL be dead by the end of this year."
> and no one even claimed it was definitely GOING to vanish by then.
Then, why say it?
I'll take a page out of YOUR fucked up MO... if they say it, they mean it.
WHY do they say it, if it might NOT come true?
To scare?
Yes... if they can scare the right people... they get M-O-N-E-Y.
HOW many BILLIONS has Al Gore made on his lies?
> Isn't it interesting how you'll always take everything so literally
Says the moron, who took THIS literally:
"... if Arctic sea ice vanished in 2013?"
Talk about an idiot taking things literally... I meant that as a SARCASTIC remark, you dolt.
"THEY" said the Arctic WILL/WOULD/COULD be ice-free by the years I posted above. And yes, I've PROVEN that some have said it WILL
and WOULD be ice-free... not could or might.
> but make excuses for the shit Trump says?
I NEVER make "excuses" for Trump. If he lies, he gets no "excuse-making" from me. If he says something YOU are too stupid to get,
I'll EXPLAIN to you what he meant.
> But no worries!
>
> Trump has solved the problem of the Arctic sea ice's decline...
>
> ...by just defunding the people keeping track of it!
Better than you libertards wanting to defund the Police. We can do without people printing out the reports that SATELLITES can
analyze themselves AND print out, especially now that AI is so ubiquitous.
Oh... yeah... Trump's gonna fire everyone and NO ONE will be monitoring what satellites do FOR us.
Riiiiight.
HOW many people does it take to print out or read and analyze what a SATELLITE monitors? I'm pretty sure those very satellites
can analyze their own data... don'tcha think?
The NOAA and NASA, et al, are bloated beyond belief, now that they have EVERY digital and electronic monitoring tools known to
man.
YOU tell us how many people it takes to monitor ice levels, for no good reason, since we already know manmade climate change is a
hoax.
The more the Internet social media platforms grow...
https://i.imgur.com/4XfeWF3.mp4
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