From: AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.global-warming,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.usa.republican
Subject: Re: There's A Clear Correlation Between More Solar And Wind And Much Higher Average Power Prices
Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 23:30:43 -0500
Organization: AlleyCat Computing, Inc.
On Sat, 17 May 2025 15:35:05 -0700, Alan says...
>
> On 2025-05-16 07:50, AlleyCat wrote:
> >
> > The claim that cheap solar and wind energy is taking over from
> > fossil fuels is a dangerous, expensive lie.
> >
> > There's a clear correlation between more solar and wind and much
> > higher average power prices.
> Someone needs to explain to you that correlation is not necessarily
> causation.
Tell it to yourself and all the OTHER knee-jerkers here, who don't seem to know that.
There are MANY posts here that fail to differentiate. (I have many examples)
So... you're denying it that solar and wind drive up prices, when it's a known FACT, that ANY new technology WILL drive up
prices?
The Research and Development, ALONE, causes pricing to spike. New iPhones? Do they not come in at a higher price then previous
models, even when there's not much or many more features and there's been no appreciative inflation?
New technology DOES get cheaper as time goes on, but we're not seeing that in energy costs, you know, when solar and win are
sooooo much cheaper than "conventional" power.
There are several reasons why new technology can make products or services more expensive:
1. Research and Development (R&D) costs: Developing new technology requires significant investment in R&D, which can be costly.
Companies need to recoup these costs, so they often pass them on to consumers in the form of higher prices.
2. Production costs: New technology can be more expensive to produce, especially if it requires specialized materials, equipment,
or manufacturing processes. These increased production costs are often reflected in the final product price.
3. Patent and licensing fees: Companies that develop new technology often patent it to protect their intellectual property. They
may then license this technology to other companies, which can drive up costs.
4. Marketing and advertising: New technology often requires significant marketing and advertising efforts to create awareness and
drive adoption. These costs are typically passed on to consumers.
5. Early adopter premium: When new technology is first introduced, it's often priced higher to take advantage of early adopters
who are willing to pay a premium for the latest and greatest technology.
6. Limited economies of scale: New technology may not have reached the same level of mass production as established technologies,
which can limit economies of scale and drive up costs.
7. High-margin business models: Some companies may use new technology to create high-margin business models, where they charge
premium prices for products or services that offer unique features or benefits.
8. Regulatory and compliance costs: New technology may require companies to comply with new regulations or standards, which can
increase costs.
9. Supply chain and logistics: New technology can disrupt traditional supply chains and logistics, leading to increased costs as
companies adapt to new manufacturing, transportation, and storage requirements.
10. Profit margins: Companies may simply choose to maintain higher profit margins on new technology products or services,
especially if they have a unique selling proposition or competitive advantage.
It's worth noting that as new technology matures and becomes more widely adopted, prices often decrease due to:
Economies of scale
Improved manufacturing efficiency
Increased competition
Reduced R&D costs
Learning curve effects
Examples of this can be seen in the history of various technologies, such as:
Flat-screen TVs: initially expensive, but now relatively affordable
Smartphones: early models were pricey, but prices have decreased over time
Solar panels: costs have decreased significantly as the technology has improved and economies of scale have been achieved
But NOT solar and wind!
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