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On Mon, 07 Jul 2025 23:33:24 -0400, rjac@shell02.TheWorld.com wrote:

>On Mon, 07 Jul 2025 21:08:56 +0100, Ron 'I'm not some fucking jew'
>Jacobsohn <rj11@std.c0m> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 07 Jul 2025 14:21:40 -0400, rjac@shell02.TheWorld.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 22:50:58 -0500, "Zionism is a cancer growing on
>>>Uncle Sam's ass" <kike_on_bike@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>An unhelpful discourse on Israel
>>>>
>>>>The following article is written by Israeli/American peace activist Jeff 
>>>>Halper for the Australian Jewish News but the paper refuses to run the 
>>>>piece, despite spending weeks attacking Halper and his supporters in its 
>>>>pages:
>>>>
>>>>The uproar in the organized Jewish community over the prospect of my 
>>>>speaking in Australia is truly startling to an Israeli like me. Granted, I 
>>>>am very critical of Israel's policies of Occupation and doubt whether a 
>>>>two-state solution is still possible given the extent of Israel's 
>>>>settlements, but this hardly warrants the kind of demonization I received in 
>>>>the pages of The AJN. Opinions similar to mine are readily available in the 
>>>>mainstream Israeli media. Indeed, I myself write frequently for the Israeli 
>>>>press and appear regularly on Israeli TV and radio.
>>>>
>>>>Why, then, the hysteria? Why was I banned from Temple Emmanuel in Sydney, a 
>>>>self-proclaimed progressive synagogue? Why did I, an Israeli, have to 
>>>>address the Jewish community from a church? Why was I invited to speak in 
>>>>every university in eastern Australia yet, at Monash University, I was 
>>>>forced to hold a secret meeting with Jewish faculty in a darkened room far 
>>>>from the halls of intellectual discourse? Why, when the "leaders" of the 
>>>>Jewish community were excoriating me and my positions, did the Israelis who 
>>>>attended my talks express such appreciation that "real" Israeli views were 
>>>>finally getting aired in Australia, even if they did not all agree with me? 
>>>>Given the support my right to speak evidenced by most of the letters 
>>>>published in The AJN, this all raises disturbing questions over the right of 
>>>>Australian Jews to hear divergent views on Israel's conflict with the 
>>>>Palestinians held by Israelis themselves.
>>>>
>>>>It raises an even deeper issue, however. What should be the relationship of 
>>>>Diaspora Jewry to Israel? Whatever threat I represented to the organized 
>>>>Jewish community of Australia had less to do with Israel, I suspect, than 
>>>>with some damage I might to do to the idealized "Leon Uris" image of Israel 
>>>>which you hold onto so dearly. This might seem like a strange thing to say, 
>>>>but I do not believe that you in the Diaspora have internalized the fact 
>>>>that Israel is a foreign country as far from your idealized version as 
>>>>Australia is far from its image as kangaroo-land. Countries change, they 
>>>>evolve. What would Australia's European founders think - even those who 
>>>>until very recently pursued a "White Australia" policy - if they were to see 
>>>>the multi-cultural country you have become? Well, almost 30% of Israeli 
>>>>citizens are not Jews, we may very well have permanently incorporated 
>>>>another four million Palestinians - the residents of the Occupied 
>>>>Territories - into our country and, to top it off, it's clear by now that 
>>>>the vast majority of the world's Jews are not going to emigrate to Israel. 
>>>>Those facts, plus the urgent need of Israel to make peace with its 
>>>>neighbors, mean something. They mean that Israel must change in ways Ben 
>>>>Gurion, Leon Uris and Mark Leibler never envisioned, even if that's hard for 
>>>>you to accept.
>>>>
>>>>Yet I see this as a positive thing, a sign of a healthy country coming to 
>>>>grips with reality, some of it of its own creation, even if it means that 
>>>>Israel will evolve from a Jewish state into a state of all its citizens - a 
>>>>bi-national or democratic state. Rather than "eliminating" Israel, this 
>>>>challenge is in fact a natural and probably inevitable development. It will 
>>>>not be easy, but if you can become multi-cultural, so can we.
>>>>
>>>>But that's our problem as Israelis. What's your problem? Why should 
>>>>discussing such important issues for Israel be the cause of such distress 
>>>>for you? Because, I venture to say, you have a stake in preserving Israel's 
>>>>idealized image that trumps dealing with the real country. In my view, 
>>>>Israel is being used as the lynchpin of your ethnic identity in Australia; 
>>>>mobilizing around a beleaguered Israel is essential for keeping your kids 
>>>>Jewish. I would go so far as to accuse you of needing an Israel in conflict, 
>>>>which is why you seem so threatened by an Israel at peace, why you deny that 
>>>>peace is even possible, why a peaceful Israel that is neither threatened nor 
>>>>"Jewish" cannot fulfill the role you have cast for it, and thus why you 
>>>>characterize my message as "vile lies."
>>>>
>>>>This, to be honest, is the threat I represent. Only this can explain why 
>>>>rabbis, community "leaders" and Jewish professors choose to meet me secretly 
>>>>rather than have me, a critical Israel, in their synagogues or classrooms. 
>>>>This is all understandable. You do need a lynchpin if you are to preserve 
>>>>your identity as a prosperous community in a tolerant multi-cultural 
>>>>society. I would just question whether the real country of Israel can 
>>>>fulfill that role, or even if it's fair to Israel to expect it to.
>>>>
>>>>We are different peoples. Israel can no more define Diaspora Jewish life 
>>>>than you can define Israel. Rather than knee-jerk defense of an imaginary 
>>>>place, you need to develop a respect for Israel and Israeli voices, a 
>>>>respect that will come only when you start regarding Israel as a real 
>>>>country. And you have to get a life of your own. You have to develop 
>>>>alternative Diaspora Jewish cultures and identities. Ironically, after all I 
>>>>have said, the Israeli government will resist that, for it uses you as 
>>>>agents to support its policies, often extreme right-wing and militaristic 
>>>>policies that contradict your very values of cultural pluralism and human 
>>>>rights. Remember: Israel does what it does in your name. Unless you take an 
>>>>independent position, you are complicit.
>>>>
>>>>What befell me in Australia is just a tiny piece of a sad story of mutual 
>>>>exploitation: you using Israel to keep your community together, Israel using 
>>>>you to defend its indefensible policies. Perhaps something good can emerge 
>>>>from all this: robust discussion on the nature of Israeli-Diaspora 
>>>>relations. I'm going home to Jerusalem. You have to let Israel go and get a 
>>>>[Jewish] life.
>>>>
>>>>Jeff Halper is the Director of the Israeli Committee Against House 
>>>>Demolitions, a peace and human rights organization dedicated to achieving a 
>>>>just peace between Israelis and Palestinians.
>>>>
>>>>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2009/03/31/an-unhelpful-discourse-on-israel/ 
>>>
>>>There must be a Final Solution to the jewish question in order for
>>>there to be a lasting peace in the Middle East. Any suggestions?
>>>
>>>
>>>"From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" 
>>
>>From the river and into the Mediterranean, Palestein vill be
>>Judenrein!
>
>Yes, a jew-free Palestine is the only solution. Tossing them into the
>Mediterranean Sea is the most cost-effective way to do it. No need to
>provide boats or any provisions; just point the machine guns at them
>and direct them into the sea. Fuck 'em if they can't swim.

Shvim or shink, jewbois and jewgoils!