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From: -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Newsgroups: can.politics,alt.politics.trump,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: "Bat poop crazy"
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 12:54:18 -0400
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider

On 7/30/25 10:14, pothead wrote:
> On 2025-07-30, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> On 7/30/25 05:59, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 21:18:58 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wouldn't consider no taxes on tips, overtime and additional bonus added
>>>> for seniors on SS increased SALT deduction. something the rich are interested in.
>>>
>>> Most tips aren't declared anyway and so aren't taxed.
>>
>> 84%, as per this cite:
>> <http://archives.cpajournal.com/old/10428232.htm>
>>
>>> The change mostly means that employers now have to pay both sides
>>> of FICA which will increase their labor cost.
>>
>> Good catch; I'd forgotten about that provision, plus even if they're
>> only required to pay the employer half, that's still ~8% expense on
>> those tip amounts.  If we oversimplify and say that its 9% and for
>> restaurant servers that tips are a third of their income, this is a
>> quick 3% increase in labor costs for their employer.
>>
>> As I commented yesterday evening:
>>
>> "Which means that this cap is more designed to send a message to those
>> who can re-categorize their income to limit their level of fraud/abuse."
>>
>>
>>> If overtime is not taxed weekly, smaller refunds will result each
>>> spring.
>>>
>>> The middle class may get some benefit from a higher SALT deduction.
>>
>> Not really all that much, as the Standard Deduction remains relatively
>> large because what used to be, because personal deductions got rolled up
>> into it.  Previously, with the two split, itemizers only had to exceed
>> the Standard, and kept the personal deductions:  the 2017 TJCA had some
>> pretty clever slights-of-hand in this fashion.
>>> The rich may not care about any of this because it won't drive up
>>> their tax bills.  What it will do is drive the deficit.
>> Like how we've heard some who've claimed "an almost $6k increase in
>> taxes if the BBB did not pass." ... but the income levels required to
>> have that much of a one year savings is $400K+ if filing Single.  Its
>> not as profound for MFJ (figure $160K), but this is just the first year
>> look before any of the middle class's temporary cuts start to phase out.
>>> Trump's tariffs will mitigate some of that deficit but the resultant
>>> inflation will eat up the middle and working classes.
>>
>> Tariff revenue is minuscule in comparison to the 1%'er tax breaks...
>>
>> ...plus if the tariffs actually accomplish what they've been claimed
>> that they're for (re-shoring manufacturing) they're a decreasing revenue
>> source that will never grow larger.
>>
>> -hh
> 
> All fine and dandy but I'm still not seeing this BBB benefits the billionaires at
> the expense of the rest of us like the democrats keep claiming.
> 
> Maybe you have some insight into this?


Per your own website cite, a $5M MFJ has a single year tax savings of 
$52,805 + $444 = $53,249.

Similarly, the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy's estimate is 
that the average tax cut for the top 1% is ~$66K:

<https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/03/trump-big-beautiful-bill-gives-top-1percent-biggest-tax-cuts-in-these-states-.html>

<https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2025/07/01/winners-losers-trump-big-tax-bill-senate/84391469007/>

Plus its been noted that in some Red states (eg, WY, TX, SD), this can 
exceed $100K.

TL;DR: top 5% is getting net income gains of +4%, which is twice what 
the best case savings is for bottom 50% (best +1.7%; -10% worst case).


Plus for the wealthiest, especially private business owners:

* Corporate SALT deductions:  prior limit on deductions is removed;

* Section 199A 20% deduction on Qualified Business Income: permanent;

* Pass-through entity tax (PTET) deductions: restrictions removed;

* QSBS exclusion cap for stock raised to $15M & expanded what qualifies 
by 50% to $75M;

* New 100% expensing provision on some commercial real property which 
previously required using a 39 year depreciation schedule;

* Estate Tax exemption made permanent, plus increased to be $15M per 
individual ($30M/couple);


plus others...


-hh