From: -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Newsgroups: can.politics,alt.politics.trump,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: "Bat poop crazy" - nyc1973beforeEPA.jpg (0/1)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2025 09:14:06 -0400
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
On 8/1/25 07:55, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 00:20:28 -0000 (UTC), pothead
> <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2025-07-31, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 23:50:41 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:
>>>
>>>> Promoting American made cars or EV or both is not a problem for me as long
>>>> as at the same time you don't tell me ICE cars will have major regulations
>>>> put on them all for the purpose of destroying them and pushing the people to EV.
>>>
>>> Is clean air your complaint? I have no problem with tight emissions
>>> regulation. None at all. See attached image of NYC skyline ca 1965.
>>
>> Of course not.
>> However we have come very far since 1965.
>
> Because of EPA regulation. Trump has slashed EPA and Republicans have
> fought it for decades.
>
>> Same for mining BTW.
>> Strip mines are tightly regulated these days.
>> Clean coal.
>> Computerized emmisions on cars.
>> etc.
>>
>> What is not needed is over regulation such as, "all ICE cars manufactured after
>> 2028 need to average over xx number of mpg.
>> That is a deliberate attempt at killing the ICE market.
>
> I don't agree with CAFE. That's something the market can decide based
> on fuel cost. People who get caught out commuting in an 11MPG pickup
> get no sympathy from me.
It is much more straightforward and market-based ("consumer pull") to
have employed a consumption-based tax directly per gallon like Europe
does, but that was opposed, largely by GOP/Red states under the claim
that it would be an 'undue burden' (as opposed to being proportionate)
as their residents supposedly drive more miles.
However, the more likely reason is it would have shown consumers far
more directly the consequences of their transportation choices, which
would be 'bad for business', of both Detroit and the Oil Producers.
>> BTW, ever see a lithium mine?
>
> Yes. You ever seen a strip mine?
Including the coal ash afterwords. Those ponds are often highly acidic.
And other forms of extraction aren't much better:
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/E1y8JAhAA2Uy3NdC7>
-hh