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From: AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics,alt.politics.trump,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.usa.republican
Subject: The President Has A Significant Part In Changing The Conditions Of The Census
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2025 20:32:12 -0500
Organization: AlleyCat Computing, Inc.


On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 12:04:41 -0700,  Alan says...  

> >>> WHEN are you going to stop sucking at this, lakehouse rich boy?
> > 
> >> No source?

Nope.

Want one?

Look it up yourself.

Please tell us... why do you need a source?

Name ONE reason.
 
> > You think I wrote that? I'm flattered.
> 
> You think that my pointing out you not providing your source means that 
> I think you wrote it? You're that stupid.

So, it's NOT "no source".

That's what I thought.
 
Please tell us... why do you need a source?

Name ONE reason.

> > 
> > Is it wrong?
> 
> In the particulars you quote, no.

Then, why whine?
> 
> > 
> > Then shut the fuck up lakehouse rich feminist.
> >   
> >> But even what you've quoted says:
> >>
> >> "The U.S. Census is mandated by the Constitution"

So?

And?

That's NOT the ONLY thing I wrote, was it?

> > And that does NOT mean they're the only ones who can "change" it.
> 
> First of all the US constitution is not a "they".

So, you're saying that I said, "the US constitution aren't the only ones who can change the constitution"?

And he accuses ME of drinking.

A Liberal's accusation is always a an admission of guilt..
 
> Second, the constitution mandates the counting of all PERSONS, full stop.

The Constitution, regarding the census CAN be changed.

The rules of the census can be changed, and this authority primarily rests with Congress, THOUGH THE OTHER TWO BRANCHES OF 
GOVERNMENT ALSO PLAY A ROLE.

The Constitution grants Congress the power to direct how the census is conducted "by Law." Congress uses this power to pass 
legislation, most notably Title 13 of the U.S. Code, which provides the legal framework for the census. This law dictates the 
questions that can be asked, who must be counted, and the confidentiality of the data.

The roles of the three branches of government are:

Legislative Branch (Congress): This is the ultimate authority. Congress can change the rules by passing new laws that amend Title 
13.

Executive Branch (The U.S. Census Bureau): As part of the Department of Commerce, the Census Bureau is responsible for implementing 
the laws passed by Congress. They have a degree of discretion on the operational details, such as the technology used or the 
methods of data collection, but they must operate within the legal framework provided by Congress.

Judicial Branch (The Courts): The courts, including the Supreme Court, can rule on the constitutionality of any changes made by 
Congress or the executive branch. A key recent example is the debate over adding a citizenship question to the 2020 census, where 
the Supreme Court ultimately blocked the move, ruling that the administration's justification was "contrived."
 
> To not count some persons is to be in violation of the constitution.

Again, moron... THAT can be changed.

AND Trump can have a hand in it.


The President has a significant part in changing the conditions of the census.

The President's influence over the census can be both direct and indirect:

Signing or Vetoing Legislation: The President's most direct role is to sign or veto bills passed by Congress that relate to the 
census. Congress has the ultimate authority to set the rules, and the President has the power to either approve or reject those 
changes.

Q: If one party has a majority, can they change the conditions of the census?

Yes, if one party has a majority in both the House and the Senate, they have the power to pass legislation that changes the 
conditions of the census.

The House of Representatives: In the House, a simple majority is generally all that is needed to pass a bill. If a single party 
holds a majority, they can typically pass census-related legislation without needing any votes from the opposing party.

The Senate: The Senate is a different matter. While a simple majority is needed to pass a bill, the minority party can use a 
filibuster to block a vote. To overcome a filibuster and bring a bill to a final vote, the majority party typically needs to get a 
three-fifths majority (60 votes), which often requires bipartisan support.

The President's Veto: Even if a party controls both the House and the Senate, any bill they pass must still be signed into law by 
the President. If the President is from the opposing party, they could veto the bill. To override a presidential veto, Congress 
would need a two-thirds majority in both the House and the Senate.

So, while a single party with a majority has significant power to influence the census, the system of checks and balances, 
particularly the Senate's filibuster rule and the President's veto power, can prevent them from making unilateral changes.

Appointment of Leadership: The President appoints the Secretary of Commerce, who is the head of the department that oversees the 
U.S. Census Bureau. This appointee, along with the Director of the Census Bureau (also a presidential appointee), can influence how 
the census is carried out within the legal framework provided by Congress.

Executive Directives: A President can issue executive orders or directives to the Department of Commerce, influencing operational 
aspects or data collection. A notable example of this was the previous administration's attempt to add a citizenship question to 
the 2020 census, which was a directive from the Department of Commerce. This action was ultimately challenged and blocked by the 
Supreme Court, highlighting the checks and balances involved in the process.

While the Constitution gives Congress the primary authority over the census, the President's role in the executive branch provides 
opportunities to influence its implementation and to shape its direction, often leading to legal challenges.

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