From: Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Newsgroups: alt.global-warming,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.usa.republican
Subject: Re: LOL... Like All Stupid Liberals, They Don't Think They Have To
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 12:34:04 -0700
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
On 2025-08-18 17:06, AlleyCat wrote:
>
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 08:46:50 -0700, Alan says...
>
>> ...and I showed you that the regulations have been changed for
>> aircraft in this new category.
>
> Show us this "new" regulation.
>
> You know how to copy and paste.
I do.
>
> https://i.imgur.com/GqIOrQR.mp4
>
> Don't post a link. If YOU know I'm wrong about Joby HAVING to fly
> less than 100 miles, why didn't you post THAT regulation, instead of
> posting a bunch of links with 1000s of words and links within links?
"(ss) Section 135.209(b) of this chapter
Applies to powered-lift with the performance capability, as provided in
the Aircraft Flight Manual, for the entire flight to conduct a landing
in the vertical-lift flight mode"
So that applies to the Jobycraft, right?
Those are two paragraphs from a table at this URL:
<https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-I/subchapter-L/part-194>
Search for "reserve" and the 7th instance will bring you right to it.
"No person may begin a flight operation in a helicopter under VFR
unless, considering wind and forecast weather conditions, it has enough
fuel to fly to the first point of intended landing and, assuming normal
cruising fuel consumption, to fly after that for at least 20 minutes."
And here's that URL:
<https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/section-135.209#p-135.209(b)>
Oh, and other paragraphs in there explain that an operator can
"designate" "suitable landing areas" in addition to the intended
destination of the flight.
IOW, every helipad in the area.
>
> Because YOU couldn't find it!
>
> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>
> Instead of letting the Internet do your J-O-B, post the EXACT
> regulation that proves me wrong.
Done.
>
> I won't hold my breath.
>
> I will grant you this... IF all of Joby's trips are going to be TO a
> place that has charging capabilities FOR their Aircraft (they are
> THEIR aircraft... right? LOL), then yes, Joby might be able to fly
> >100 miles.
>
> But, what if there is no charging equipment where they're flying to?
Why wouldn't there be? They're talking about an air taxi service between
pre-determined destinations.
>
>
> One-Way Trip without a Charging Station at the Destination
>
> This is, of course, for a trip at 100mph, not 200mph, so the figures
> would be different for 200mph.
>
> Using your example of an aircraft with a 150-mile total capacity
> (100-mile range + 50-mile reserve), and assuming a cruising speed of
> 100 mph, here are the maximum trip distances the FAA would permit:
The Joby's cruising speed is twice that: 200 mph.
So another wrong assumption by you.
>
> The maximum one-way trip would be approximately 58 miles.
>
> This allows for:
>
> 58 miles to the destination (same going back)
>
> 58 miles to an alternate airport (assuming the alternate is the same
> distance away).
You don't need an AIRPORT to land a VTOL craft, doofus.
<https://www.city-data.com/airports/New-York.html>
'Suitable landing area for purposes of this paragraph (rr) and paragraph
(ss) of this section means an area that provides the operator reasonable
capability to land without causing undue hazard to persons or property.
These suitable landing areas must be site specific, designated by the
operator, and accepted by the FAA.'
>
> 33 miles for the 20-minute FAA-mandated reserve.
66 miles, doofus...
>
> Total = 149 miles (within the 150-mile total capacity)
>
> That's cutting it close. Hope that landing gear can take an
> emergency landing!
You haven't figured out the "vertical" part of VTOL, have you?