From: AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Vladimir Putin CONFIRMS That The War In Ukraine NEVER Wouldn't Happened If Trump Was In Office
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2025 20:44:58 -0500
Organization: AlleyCat Computing, Inc.
On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 07:28:04 -0400, -hh says...
> Because Russia did attack while Trump was POTUS.
And was over while Trump was POTUS.
Trump did that! (see below)
Winning.
First off... not a "war".
Did Biden stop the current war?
Researching your own claims helps stop you from looking stupid.
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Fighting In Flashpoint Town Eases As US President Trump Pledges To Help
AFP and staff writers
News Corp Australia
5 February 2017,9:30am
FIGHTING has subsided around a flashpoint Ukrainian town following a week-long surge in violence that prompted US President Donald
Trump to pledge to help bring peace to Europe's backyard.
The Ukrainian military said on Sunday that no soldiers had been killed in the past 24 hours for the first time since fighting over
the working-class town of Avdiivka soared last week.
A total of 27 people have died in the battered town while eight more were killed in other parts of the war zone that covers the
Russian-backed eastern separatist fiefdoms of Donetsk and Lugansk.
Ukrainian servicemen patrol in Avdiivka on Saturday.
Ukrainian servicemen patrol in Avdiivka on Saturday. Credit: AP, Evgeniy Maloletka/AP
AFP reporters on the scene said the streets of Avdiivka were quiet and no shelling could be heard from the outskirts of the town
where both sides have their big guns stationed.
Ukrainian military spokesman Sergiy Klymenko told AFP that a pause in hostilities agreed by the two sides came into effect from 8am
(5pm AEDT) but that is was only a verbal deal and not on paper.
Klymenko said the truce was aimed at allowing workers to repair broken power lines after many in the town of 25,000 spent days
without power or heat.
The fight for control of the town of Avdiivka soared last week.
The fight for control of the town of Avdiivka soared last week. Credit: AP, Evgeniy Maloletka/AP
Ukraine said overall the level of rebel shelling across the conflict zone had halved over the past day while the insurgents
announced their frontline towns had not come under bombardment overnight.
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko's first conversation with the new US leader since his inauguration took place as the former
Soviet republic worries that Trump is seeking to build a friendship with Russia's Vladimir Putin.
Some analysts linked the escalation of the violence to this potential improvement in relations that had slumped to their lowest
level since the Cold War while others attributed it to more local issues.
US President Donald Trump has pledged to help bring peace to Ukraine.
US President Donald Trump has pledged to help bring peace to Ukraine. Credit: AFP, Mandel Ngan/AFP
In the call Trump promised to try to push for an end to the conflict in the east but appeared to stop short of offering the sort of
staunch backing Ukraine enjoyed under the Barack Obama administration.
"We will work with Ukraine, Russia, and all other parties involved to help them restore peace along the border," the White House
quoted Trump as saying.
The White House further said that the two leaders had a "good call" but provided few other details except to say that a meeting
between Trump and Poroshenko was being arranged for the future.
Poroshenko himself put a more positive spin on the high-profile conversation with a statement saying he thanked Trump for his "firm
support of Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity".
Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko talked with Trump this past week.
Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko talked with Trump this past week. Credit: AFP, Odd Andersen/AFP
The statement said that the two leaders expressed 'deep concern" about the spike in fighting in Avdiivka and underscored the need
for an "immediate ceasefire".
The Ukrainian leader's office said also that they "spoke in favour of energising dialogue at all levels with the new US
administration".
The talks follow Trump's phone conversation with Putin on January 28 that both sides described as constructive.
The 33-month conflict began shortly after Ukraine ousted its Russian-backed leader in February 2014.
Moscow responded by annexing Ukraine's Crimean peninsula in March 2014 before allegedly plotting the eastern insurgency to keep
Ukraine under its thumb.
Washington's UN ambassador Nikki Haley on Thursday condemned Russia's "aggressive actions" in Ukraine - a surprising attack given
Trump's warm words toward Putin.
Russia denies any responsibility for the conflict and blames the United States for igniting three months of massive street protests
that turned Ukraine toward the West.
The entire conflict has claimed more than 10,000 lives and has seen relations between Moscow and the West plunge to a post-Cold War
low.
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"Trump Derangement Syndrome" Is a Real Mental Condition
All you need to know about "Trump Derangement Syndrome," or TDS.
"Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is a mental condition in which a person has been driven effectively insane due to their dislike
of Donald Trump, to the point at which they will abandon all logic and reason."
Justin Raimondo, the editorial director of Antiwar.com, wrote a piece in the Los Angeles Times in 2016 that broke TDS down into
three distinct phases or stages:
"In the first stage of the disease, victims lose all sense of proportion. The president-elect's every tweet provokes a firestorm,
as if 140 characters were all it took to change the world."
"The mid-level stages of TDS have a profound effect on the victim's vocabulary: Sufferers speak a distinctive language consisting
solely of hyperbole."
"As TDS progresses, the afflicted lose the ability to distinguish fantasy from reality."
The Point here is simple: TDS is, in the eyes of its adherents, the knee-jerk opposition from liberals to anything and everything
Trump does. If Trump announced he was donating every dollar he's ever made, TDS sufferers would suggest he was up to something
nefarious, according to the logic of TDS. There's nothing - not. one. thing. - that Trump could do or say that would be received
positively by TDSers.
The history of Trump Derangement Syndrome actually goes back to the early 2000s - a time when the idea of Trump as president was a
punch line for late-night comics and nothing more.
Wikipedia traces its roots to "Bush Derangement Syndrome" - a term first coined by the late conservative columnist Charles
Krauthammer back in 2003. The condition, as Krauthammer defined it, was "the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in
reaction to the policies, the presidency - nay - the very existence of George W. Bush."