From: AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics,alt.politics.trump,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.usa.republican
Subject: Re: Vladimir Putin CONFIRMS That The War In Ukraine NEVER Wouldn't Happened If Trump Was In Office
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2025 22:25:05 -0500
Organization: AlleyCat Computing, Inc.
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 09:21:24 -0700, Alan says...
>
> On 2025-08-22 18:45, AlleyCat wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 14:34:24 -0700, Alan says...
> >
> >>> Stay on topic, lakehouse rich boy clone.
> >
> >> So as long as something started before Trump took office, he is never,
> >> ever responsible for how it progresses on his watch, Loser?
> >
> > Is that question:
> >
> > A) Rhetorical?
> > B) A non-sequitur?
> > C) A Red Herring?
> > D) A bullshit loaded question?
> > E) PLONK?
> >
> > I'm leaning towards E, because, by you asking, you must have an answer in your puny little gay mind. Tell us EXACTLY how Trump can
> > be "responsible", your word, for the Russo-Ukrainian war?
> >
> > Was Obama responsible, AT ALL, for the Afghanistan War that started under Bush? How? Obama did, after all, keep the war going. At
> > least Trump's trying to stop the war that started under Biden's watch.
> >
> > You can't win, if you keep pulling your usual bullshit.
> What bullshit?
>
> You seem to want to create a built-in excuse for all of Trump's failures.
"B,C,D and E" it is.
LOL... lakehouse rich shit, thinks if Trump asks Putin and Zelenskyy to stop killing each others' soldiers, it's Trump's "failure".
Biden spoke with Putin at least 9 times, and no telling how many times the little Azov Nazi Zelenskyy came to America to beg for
money, so if "failing" was even a possibility here, Biden "failed" WAY more times than Trump.
Where were you and your whining ways when Biden was "failing" at a peace agreement between Putin and Zelenskyy?
Seriously... get help.
PLONK!
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How Biden Made A Mess Of Ukraine - The Atlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/11/biden-ukraine-policy-failures/680834/
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won. The administration doesn't seem to understand that Russia can be beaten.
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Biden's Ukraine Disaster Was Decades In The Making | Russia-Ukraine War ...
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1990s that set the West and Russia on a path of confrontation.
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The Russia-Ukraine Crisis: A Scorecard On Biden's Response
https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/russia-ukraine-crisis-scorecard-bidens-response
The Biden administration's handling of the current crisis will be measured by whether the United States remains free to give allies
and partners the support they need to keep Europe at peace.
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U.S. Repeatedly Blocked Ukraine Peace Deals; Is It Rethinking Its ...
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Biden Admin Nudge Led Ukraine To Drop Putin Condition For Peace Talks
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/08/biden-admin-nudging-led-ukraine-to-drop-putin-condition-for-peace-talks-00065679
Nov 8, 2022 - Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's new stance that peace talks with Russia can begin with Vladimir Putin in
power was directly due to soft nudging by the Biden administration, according ...
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Biden's Role In Ukraine Peace Is Clear Now - Responsible Statecraft
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/russia-ukraine-peace-talks-2666384435/
Nov 29, 2023 - If, on the other hand, the war continues indefinitely, there is a real possibility that Ukrainian resistance may
collapse, whether through the exhaustion of its manpower or because Russia's additional forces allow it to reopen the fronts in
northern Ukraine that it pulled back from last year and that Ukraine lacks the troops to defend.
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Russia-Ukraine War: Lessons That Biden Failed To Learn And Ukraine Paid ...
https://english.aawsat.com/features/4756946-russia-ukraine-war-lessons-biden-failed-learn-and-ukraine-paid-hefty-price
Dec 29, 2023 - As we welcome the New Year and the Russia-Ukraine conflict is approaching its second anniversary, many on both sides
of the Atlantic are wondering whether the biggest war in Europe since World War II will come to an end this year. After all,
Washington already has supplied to Kiev more than $113 billion in cash and high-tech weaponry, and US President Joe Biden is trying
to strongarm Congress ...
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U.S. Rejects Putin's Latest Call For Ukraine Negotiations
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/09/us/politics/biden-putin-tucker-carlson-peace.html
Feb 9, 2024 - The Biden administration dismissed on Friday a call by President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia for negotiations to end
the war in Ukraine, showing no sign that flagging political support for ...
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