From: Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Newsgroups: alt.global-warming,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.usa.republican
Subject: Re: NBC News Reports That Unless We Stop Burning Ancient Carbon, We
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2025 15:07:04 -0700
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
On 2025-08-24 06:57, NoBody wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 08:30:40 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2025-08-23 06:35, NoBody wrote:
>>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 14:26:22 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2025-08-20 20:04, AlleyCat wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> NBC News reports that unless we stop burning ancient carbon, we will face catastrophic global warming within the next ten years.
>>>>>
>>>>> "A federal report today predicted possible catastrophic warming of the Earth by the 1990s with a strong climate change."
>>>>>
>>>>> Wait a second, this was broadcast back in 1983.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1958266242344607744/vid/avc1/886x644/Y5IpZuvaSy6IVBND.mp4
>>>>>
>>>>> We all died in 1993 and we just don't know it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right, Bruce?
>>>> Apparently you don't understand the meaning of the word "possible".
>>>>
>>>> Nothing in there reported on what would happen with certainty.
>>>
>>> But we should run around like headless chickens and ban natural gas
>>> with no certainty right?
>>
>> That's not what I said.
>>
>
> That's been the proposed alternatives.
Ignoring the grammatical error, so what?
I'm not proposing it.
But the reality is that the levelized cost of electrical generation is
already making renewables competitive with natural gas and less
expensive that coal.
<https://www.lazard.com/media/eijnqja3/lazards-lcoeplus-june-2025.pdf>
Page 8.
>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> But since 1983, the amount of Arctic sea ice at the yearly minimum has
>>>> gone from 7.25 million square kilometres to 4.25 million square
>>>> kilometres in the last cycle that has a minimum at the moment (2024).
>>>>
>>>> And 2025 is tracking to be just about as low.
>>>>
>>>> <https://nsidc.org/sea-ice-today/sea-ice-tools/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph>
>>>>
>>>> Antarctic sea ice shows the same pattern.
>>>
>>> Now show us the evidence we caused it (with certainty).
>>> Has the global climate ever changed before?
>>
>> Look at the charts, dumbass.
>>
>
> Correlation is not causation
>
> Your charts are not evidents of causation.
>
>> Look at the charts on temperature and the rate at which it is climbing.
>
> Has the climate ever changed before?
>
> That question REQUIRES an answer for your position to be taken
> seriously.
I realize this is a cartoon presentation, but the facts behind it are solid:
<https://xkcd.com/1732/>
His comment in the tooltip is on point:
"[After setting your car on fire] Listen, your car's temperature has
changed before."
So, I'll ask you a question.
When has the climate last changed THIS fast, before?