From: Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics,alt.politics.trump,alt.politics.liberalism
Subject: Re: Illinois governer rebuffs federal intervention to prevent Chicago
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2025 10:29:25 -0700
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
On 2025-09-04 07:29, NoBody wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Sep 2025 19:53:58 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2025-09-02 07:47, NoBody wrote:
>>> On Mon, 1 Sep 2025 16:10:50 -0400, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2025-09-01 15:03, pothead wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-09-01, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-09-01 10:05, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>> Shouldn't the governor take a hint and enforce laws in Chicago?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At least 53 people have been shot, seven fatally, across Chicago over
>>>>>>> Labor Day weekend, including a drive-by attack that left seven victims
>>>>>>> wounded, according to police.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The violent holiday weekend came as President Donald Trump renewed
>>>>>>> threats to send federal agents and National Guard troops to Chicago
>>>>>>> over the objections of Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker and Chicago Mayor
>>>>>>> Brandon Johnson.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump on Saturday sent a warning to Pritzker in a post on his social
>>>>>>> media platform, referencing recent crime in Chicago and saying
>>>>>>> Pritzker "better straighten it out, FAST, or we're coming!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pritzker, a Democrat, responded in a news conference a week ago to an
>>>>>>> earlier Trump threat to "straighten out Chicago, just like we did
>>>>>>> D.C.," by saying that the president's plan was "unprecedented and
>>>>>>> unwarranted. It is illegal, it is unconstitutional, it is
>>>>>>> un-American."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://abcnews.go.com/US/35-shot-weekend-chicago-governor-rejects-trumps-threat/story?id=125134744
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah cause crime and murder is better....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So why isn't Trump sending troops any of the 91 other cities in the US
>>>>>> that have higher rates of violent crime?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or the 21 cities that have higher rates of murder and non-negligent
>>>>>> manslaughter?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If this is really about making people safer, shouldn't you be sending
>>>>>> people to where they will do the most good?
>>>>>
>>>>> The governor and mayor of Chicago were both all over the airwaves singing
>>>>> from the same hymnal, page 99, "Threat To Democracy" song.
>>>>> They are both disgusting.
>>>>
>>>> The federal government under Donald Trump IS a threat to democracy.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Laughter!
>>>
>>> As opposed to the previous administration that did everything they
>>> could to prosecute Trump for absolutely nothing.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They have a serious problem in Chicago.
>>>>> Funding illegal migrants when students in the school system can't read or write.
>>>>
>>>> Cite, please!
>>>
>>>
>>> Really?
>>>
>>> "One-fifth of Illinois adults are functionally illiterate, according
>>> to the National Center for Education Statistics. That means they
>>> cannot understand the meaning of sentences, locate information on
>>> pages or complete simple forms, all of which would affect their
>>> abilities to hold many jobs.
>>>
>>> In Cook County, 25% of adults are functionally illiterate."
>>>
>>> https://www.illinoispolicy.org/1-in-5-illinois-adults-is-illiterate-but-its-1-in-4-in-cook-county/
>>>
>>> " Chicago Public Schools third- through eighth-grade state test scores
>>> increased in 2024, with reading finally surpassing 2019 levels. But
>>> for Chicagoâs 11th grade students, both reading and math remained
>>> below pre-pandemic levels.
>>>
>>> State test scores are in for Chicago Public Schools, and fewer than
>>> 1-in-3 students could read and fewer than 1-in-5 do math at their
>>> elementary grade level in 2024.
>>>
>>> It was worse for the districtâs 11th graders: fewer than 1 in 4 could
>>> read and math scores dropped nearly a percentage point from 2023.
>>>
>>> The Illinois Report Card released Oct. 30 showed 30.5% of CPS students
>>> in third through eighth grade read at grade level in 2024 compared to
>>> 25.9% the previous school year. Math proficiency increased to 18.3% in
>>> 2024 from 17.5% in 2023.
>>>
>>> Among Chicagoâs 11th graders, only 22.4% could read at grade level in
>>> 2024 and 18.6% performed math proficiently, up just one-tenth of a
>>> percentage point in reading since the previous school year and down
>>> nearly one percentage point in math. Both reading and math proficiency
>>> for Chicago 11th graders remained below 2019 levels."
>>>
>>> https://www.illinoispolicy.org/fewer-than-1-in-3-chicago-public-schools-students-read-at-grade-level/
>>>
>>> And no it's not good news as the authors try to portray.
>>
>> Hmmmmm...
>>
>> ...not seeing the same evidence for your claim about "Funding illegal
>> migrants"
>>
>> Why is that?
>
>
> It wasn't my claim dimbulb. Please keep your facts straight. I
> merely supplied the data that shows Chicago has a massive illiteracy
> problem. Of course you refuse to address that.
You answered my request for a cite for a claim without addressing all of it.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Crime running rampant and not just this weekend, but EVERY WEEKEND.
>>>>
>>>> And yet less crime than many, many other US cities.
>>>
>>> So?
>>
>> So if resources are limited, why wouldn't you use them most effectively?
>
> Lack of a coherent response noted. Please rewrite.
In what way was it unclear?
Crime is certainly a problem in Chicago; violent crime.
But violent crime is a bigger problem in 108 other US cities.
So by using the limited resources of the federal government in Chicago
instead of...
Memphis, Tennessee; Oakland, California; Detroit, Michigan; Little Rock,
Arkansas; Baltimore, Maryland; Cleveland, Ohio; Kansas City, Missouri;
Milwaukee, Wisconsin; St. Louis, Missouri; Dayton, Ohio; Birmingham,
Alabama; Shreveport, Louisiana; Albuquerque, New Mexico; Springfield,
Missouri; Minneapolis, Minnesota; Houston, Texas; Stockton, California;
Nashville, Tennessee; Rockford, Illinois; Tacoma, Washington; Kansas
City, Kansas; Toledo, Ohio; Victorville, California; Anchorage, Alaska;
Denver, Colorado; Paterson, New Jersey; Aurora, Colorado; Tulsa,
Oklahoma; Washington, District of Columbia; Greensboro, North Carolina;
Grand Rapids, Michigan; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; San Bernardino,
California; Springfield, Massachusetts; Indianapolis, Indiana; Salt Lake
City, Utah; Corpus Christi, Texas; Cincinnati, Ohio; Lancaster,
California; Chattanooga, Tennessee; Lubbock, Texas; Akron, Ohio;
Winston-Salem, North Carolina; Phoenix, Arizona; Lakewood, Colorado;
Seattle, Washington; Columbia, South Carolina; Syracuse, New York;
Sacramento, California; Mobile, Alabama; Knoxville, Tennessee;
Gainesville, Florida3; Newport News, Virginia; Fresno, California;
Charlotte-Mecklenburg, North Carolina; Los Angeles2, California;
Portland, Oregon; Pomona, California; Colorado Springs, Colorado;
Louisville Metro, Kentucky; Buffalo, New York; Des Moines, Iowa;
Amarillo, Texas; Long Beach, California; Oklahoma City, Oklahoma;
Spokane, Washington; New York, New York; Fayetteville, North Carolina;
Dallas, Texas; Modesto, California; Boston, Massachusetts; St.
Petersburg, Florida3; Durham, North Carolina; St. Paul, Minnesota; San
Jose, California; Columbus, Georgia; San Francisco, California; Oxnard,
California; Anaheim, California; Montgomery, Alabama; San Antonio,
Texas; Riverside, California; Tucson, Arizona; Rochester, New York;
Vancouver, Washington; Newark, New Jersey; Pasadena, Texas; Jersey City,
New Jersey; Bakersfield, California; Palmdale, California; Warren, Michigan
...Trump is doing less than he could be doing to reduce violent crime.
What would DOGE say?