From: NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics,alt.politics.trump,alt.politics.liberalism
Subject: Re: Illinois governer rebuffs federal intervention to prevent Chicago murders - does nothing instead
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2025 09:08:53 -0400
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
On Thu, 4 Sep 2025 10:29:25 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2025-09-04 07:29, NoBody wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Sep 2025 19:53:58 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2025-09-02 07:47, NoBody wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 1 Sep 2025 16:10:50 -0400, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2025-09-01 15:03, pothead wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-09-01, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-09-01 10:05, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>> Shouldn't the governor take a hint and enforce laws in Chicago?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At least 53 people have been shot, seven fatally, across Chicago over
>>>>>>>> Labor Day weekend, including a drive-by attack that left seven victims
>>>>>>>> wounded, according to police.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The violent holiday weekend came as President Donald Trump renewed
>>>>>>>> threats to send federal agents and National Guard troops to Chicago
>>>>>>>> over the objections of Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker and Chicago Mayor
>>>>>>>> Brandon Johnson.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump on Saturday sent a warning to Pritzker in a post on his social
>>>>>>>> media platform, referencing recent crime in Chicago and saying
>>>>>>>> Pritzker "better straighten it out, FAST, or we're coming!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pritzker, a Democrat, responded in a news conference a week ago to an
>>>>>>>> earlier Trump threat to "straighten out Chicago, just like we did
>>>>>>>> D.C.," by saying that the president's plan was "unprecedented and
>>>>>>>> unwarranted. It is illegal, it is unconstitutional, it is
>>>>>>>> un-American."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://abcnews.go.com/US/35-shot-weekend-chicago-governor-rejects-trumps-threat/story?id=125134744
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah cause crime and murder is better....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So why isn't Trump sending troops any of the 91 other cities in the US
>>>>>>> that have higher rates of violent crime?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or the 21 cities that have higher rates of murder and non-negligent
>>>>>>> manslaughter?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If this is really about making people safer, shouldn't you be sending
>>>>>>> people to where they will do the most good?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The governor and mayor of Chicago were both all over the airwaves singing
>>>>>> from the same hymnal, page 99, "Threat To Democracy" song.
>>>>>> They are both disgusting.
>>>>>
>>>>> The federal government under Donald Trump IS a threat to democracy.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Laughter!
>>>>
>>>> As opposed to the previous administration that did everything they
>>>> could to prosecute Trump for absolutely nothing.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They have a serious problem in Chicago.
>>>>>> Funding illegal migrants when students in the school system can't read or write.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cite, please!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Really?
>>>>
>>>> "One-fifth of Illinois adults are functionally illiterate, according
>>>> to the National Center for Education Statistics. That means they
>>>> cannot understand the meaning of sentences, locate information on
>>>> pages or complete simple forms, all of which would affect their
>>>> abilities to hold many jobs.
>>>>
>>>> In Cook County, 25% of adults are functionally illiterate."
>>>>
>>>> https://www.illinoispolicy.org/1-in-5-illinois-adults-is-illiterate-but-its-1-in-4-in-cook-county/
>>>>
>>>> " Chicago Public Schools third- through eighth-grade state test scores
>>>> increased in 2024, with reading finally surpassing 2019 levels. But
>>>> for Chicagos 11th grade students, both reading and math remained
>>>> below pre-pandemic levels.
>>>>
>>>> State test scores are in for Chicago Public Schools, and fewer than
>>>> 1-in-3 students could read and fewer than 1-in-5 do math at their
>>>> elementary grade level in 2024.
>>>>
>>>> It was worse for the districts 11th graders: fewer than 1 in 4 could
>>>> read and math scores dropped nearly a percentage point from 2023.
>>>>
>>>> The Illinois Report Card released Oct. 30 showed 30.5% of CPS students
>>>> in third through eighth grade read at grade level in 2024 compared to
>>>> 25.9% the previous school year. Math proficiency increased to 18.3% in
>>>> 2024 from 17.5% in 2023.
>>>>
>>>> Among Chicagos 11th graders, only 22.4% could read at grade level in
>>>> 2024 and 18.6% performed math proficiently, up just one-tenth of a
>>>> percentage point in reading since the previous school year and down
>>>> nearly one percentage point in math. Both reading and math proficiency
>>>> for Chicago 11th graders remained below 2019 levels."
>>>>
>>>> https://www.illinoispolicy.org/fewer-than-1-in-3-chicago-public-schools-students-read-at-grade-level/
>>>>
>>>> And no it's not good news as the authors try to portray.
>>>
>>> Hmmmmm...
>>>
>>> ...not seeing the same evidence for your claim about "Funding illegal
>>> migrants"
>>>
>>> Why is that?
>>
>>
>> It wasn't my claim dimbulb. Please keep your facts straight. I
>> merely supplied the data that shows Chicago has a massive illiteracy
>> problem. Of course you refuse to address that.
>
>You answered my request for a cite for a claim without addressing all of it.
Laughter! You were supplied a citation that I didn't have to and now
you run from it by stomping your feet.
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Crime running rampant and not just this weekend, but EVERY WEEKEND.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet less crime than many, many other US cities.
>>>>
>>>> So?
>>>
>>> So if resources are limited, why wouldn't you use them most effectively?
>>
>> Lack of a coherent response noted. Please rewrite.
>In what way was it unclear?
>
>Crime is certainly a problem in Chicago; violent crime.
>
>But violent crime is a bigger problem in 108 other US cities.
We're discussing murders specifically but violence in other US cities
doesn't negate what is happening in Chicago. What better way to make
a point than go after the major cities first?
>
>So by using the limited resources of the federal government in Chicago
>instead of...
>
Laughter!
>Memphis, Tennessee; Oakland, California; Detroit, Michigan; Little Rock,
>Arkansas; Baltimore, Maryland; Cleveland, Ohio; Kansas City, Missouri;
>Milwaukee, Wisconsin; St. Louis, Missouri; Dayton, Ohio; Birmingham,
>Alabama; Shreveport, Louisiana; Albuquerque, New Mexico; Springfield,
>Missouri; Minneapolis, Minnesota; Houston, Texas; Stockton, California;
>Nashville, Tennessee; Rockford, Illinois; Tacoma, Washington; Kansas
>City, Kansas; Toledo, Ohio; Victorville, California; Anchorage, Alaska;
>Denver, Colorado; Paterson, New Jersey; Aurora, Colorado; Tulsa,
>Oklahoma; Washington, District of Columbia; Greensboro, North Carolina;
>Grand Rapids, Michigan; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; San Bernardino,
>California; Springfield, Massachusetts; Indianapolis, Indiana; Salt Lake
>City, Utah; Corpus Christi, Texas; Cincinnati, Ohio; Lancaster,
>California; Chattanooga, Tennessee; Lubbock, Texas; Akron, Ohio;
>Winston-Salem, North Carolina; Phoenix, Arizona; Lakewood, Colorado;
>Seattle, Washington; Columbia, South Carolina; Syracuse, New York;
>Sacramento, California; Mobile, Alabama; Knoxville, Tennessee;
>Gainesville, Florida3; Newport News, Virginia; Fresno, California;
>Charlotte-Mecklenburg, North Carolina; Los Angeles2, California;
>Portland, Oregon; Pomona, California; Colorado Springs, Colorado;
>Louisville Metro, Kentucky; Buffalo, New York; Des Moines, Iowa;
>Amarillo, Texas; Long Beach, California; Oklahoma City, Oklahoma;
>Spokane, Washington; New York, New York; Fayetteville, North Carolina;
>Dallas, Texas; Modesto, California; Boston, Massachusetts; St.
>Petersburg, Florida3; Durham, North Carolina; St. Paul, Minnesota; San
>Jose, California; Columbus, Georgia; San Francisco, California; Oxnard,
>California; Anaheim, California; Montgomery, Alabama; San Antonio,
>Texas; Riverside, California; Tucson, Arizona; Rochester, New York;
>Vancouver, Washington; Newark, New Jersey; Pasadena, Texas; Jersey City,
>New Jersey; Bakersfield, California; Palmdale, California; Warren, Michigan
>
>...Trump is doing less than he could be doing to reduce violent crime.
>
>What would DOGE say?
They would likely agree that you can't address a topic....