From: Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Newsgroups: alt.global-warming,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.usa.republican
Subject: Re: LOL... Can't Refute, so just snip it out!
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2025 10:10:30 -0700
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
On 2025-09-06 07:15, NoBody wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 15:56:11 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2025-09-05 15:32, AlleyCat wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 12:41:16 -0700, Alan says...
>>>
>>>>> How are rural WINDMILLS any different from rural oil wells and gas
>>>>> wells and cell towers and powerline towers? Funny conservatives
>>>>> don't complain about THOSE.
>>>>
>>>> Why would I care that other people also use the language poorly
>>>
>>> YOU WERE WRONG.
>>>
>>> "Windmill" is a perfectly accepted term for them.
>>>
>>> It's no one fault you're too much an ego-maniacal narcissist to admit it.
>> Putting back all the refutations you snippped.
>>
>>> They each consume 10'000 liters (more than 2600 gallons) of crude
>>> oil based lubricants per year.
>> No. They don't.
>>
>> (And I refuted this in detail in another post)
>>
>
> Put it right here as that post does not show in my list.
> Will you do it?
> Of course you won't.
"'How much lubricant does a 2 MW wind turbine use in a year?
A typical 2 MW wind turbine uses approximately 80 gallons (about 300
liters) of lubricating oil per year for maintenance and operational
efficiency. This figure includes oil used in the gearbox, yaw and pitch
systems, braking systems, and other components requiring lubrication.'
So you were only wrong by a factor of 33, Loser!"
In message: <109clc9$1ri16$14@dont-email.me>
>
>>>
>>> When outdated, the wind turbines are being buried deep in forests,
>>> out of public view, due to the high costs associated with> recycling
>> them.
>>>
>>> A windmill could spin until it falls apart and it will NEVER, EVER
>>> generate as much energy as it was used in building it.
>>
>> Sorry, but that's just false.
>>
>> A 2 MW wind turbine generates generates 2 MWh of electricity every hour
>> the wind is blowing. It takes about 3,300 - 4,100 MWh of energy to build
>> one.
>
> "every hour the wind is blowing". How often does the wind
> consistently blow.
In some places (like where they put wind farms), it's certainly blowing
a good percentage of the time.
>
>>
>> So 1,650 - 2,050 hours of wind will pay that off.
>
> Show your work.
Why should I? Did Loser show any of his?
>
>>
>> A year has 8,766 hours.
>
> Can't address the waste windmills produce I see.
Show that they produce more waste than building any other kind of
electrical generation.
Did anyone present figures for how much lubricant per MW-hr a gas
turbine plant uses; or a coal plant? And so on.
I already presented my source for the capital and running costs of
various forms of electricity, and no one has produced anything of any
authority to refute it:
<https://www.lazard.com/media/eijnqja3/lazards-lcoeplus-june-2025.pdf>
>
>>
>>>
>>> Wind turbines Don't last forever. The metal towers can be recycled
>>> normally, but the blades, a mixture of fiberglass, wood, and
>>> plastic, cannot.
>>
>> Also false.
>>
>
> Tell us the what the "truth" is then.
I've been doing that.
>
> Laughter!
>
>>> In the US, the cheapest option is to send fiberglass blades to
>>> landfills, which has caused some controversy. Just
>>> one blade is about as long as the wingspan of a large commercial jet
>>> like a Boeing 747. And that's just on land. Offshore turbine
>>> blades can be twice as long.
>>
>> And you think they're impossible to cut into pieces?
>
> ""The blades are kind of a dud because they have no value," he said.
>
> Decommissioned blades are also notoriously difficult and expensive to
> transport. They can be anywhere from 100 to 300 feet long and need to
> be cut up onsite before getting trucked away on specialized equipment
> â which costs money â to the landfill.
Decommissioning ANY power plant costs money, doofus.
>
> Once there, Van Vleet said, the size of the blades can put landfills
> in a tough spot.
Because they can't be cut into pieces?
>
> "If you're a small utility or municipality and all of a sudden
> hundreds of blades start coming to your landfill, you don't want to
> use up your capacity for your local municipal trash for wind turbine
> blades," he said, adding that permits for more landfill space add
> another layer of expenses."
>
> https://www.npr.org/2019/09/10/759376113/unfurling-the-waste-problem-caused-by-wind-energy
'Tackling wind turbine blade waste with innovative shredding solutions
EDGEâs HS750 shredder revolutionizes the recycling and repurposing of
decommissioned turbine blades'
<https://www.recyclingproductnews.com/article/42374/tackling-wind-turbine-blade-waste-with-innovative-shredding-solutions>
It's not like they're all being replaced every year, doofus. Wind
turbines have lifespans of 20 years or more.
The largest wind farm in the US is the Alta Wind Energy Center in
Tehachapi Pass, Kern County, California.
The wind there blows something like 2,600 to 3,000 hours of the year, so
assuming the above figures for payback are accurate, it will take a
little more than a year to pay back the capital cost of building it.
Even assuming that the figures weren't as good when it was first
constructed in 2010, it has obviously paid back the entire cost of
building it many times over.