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On 2025-09-06 14:01, LeftistDon'tMatter wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Sep 2025 12:07:12 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-09-05 23:14, LeftistDon'tMatter wrote:
>>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 16:57:40 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2025-09-05 16:51, LeftistDon'tMatter wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 15:54:59 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2025-09-05 15:22, LeftistDon'tMatter wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 15:18:00 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2025-09-05 15:09, LeftistDon'tMatter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 14:38:15 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-09-05 14:22, LeftistDon'tMatter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 13:54:10 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-09-05 13:47, LeftistDon'tMatter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 12:35:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-09-05 12:15, LeftistDon'tMatter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 11:38:38 -0500, super70s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-09-05 14:35:20 +0000, Chris Voigtlander said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/2025 7:00 AM, super70s wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-09-05 12:16:54 +0000, -hh said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/25 00:40, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 4 Sep 2025 08:41:10 -0400, -hh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/3/25 18:38, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-09-03, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-09-03 15:07, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-09-03, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...to we Canadians, anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.tradingplatforms.co.uk/research/the-worlds-smartest-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nations-ranking-intelligence-in-2025/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada: 10th.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The US of A: Didn't crack the top 20.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By IQ, Canada was 11th and the US...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...25th.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, there isn't a single metric there that has the US ahead of Canada.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And Florida...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...ranks 13th in IQ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...13th from last.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/average-iq-by-state>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And how much money is the Teacher's Union and DOE getting each year?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously they are failing and have been failing for a long time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't it great that you know all the answers?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see 2 agencies getting tons of money and I see students who are not learning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is nothing more to know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The DoE doesn't teach students.  Nor does it fund teachers Unions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are wasting money that obviously isn't helping students learn.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Common sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope. So much for pothead's attempt to logic correlation into causality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American kids don't need education or life preparation.  They're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entitled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGAs are entitled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone else needs to lower their head, bow, and leave the country.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The right wants to use taxpayer money for vouchers instead of letting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those mostly already well off families fund their kids' private
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> education themselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My red state instituted vouchers last year and they don't even bother
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to track how much income families receiving vouchers have.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I don't need any lectures on wasteful education spending from the right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't see any reason why there should be government owned and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operated schools. When we provide housing assistance to needy people,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we don't force them to live in government barracks — we give them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Section 8 vouchers and they go find a privately provided residence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When we give food assistance, we don't force people to shop in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government commissaries — we give them SNAP and EBT cards and they shop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in commercial grocery stores like everyone else. When we provide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assistance for medical care, we don't force people to government
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clinics — we give them Medicaid and they go to private providers like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Schools should be no different.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure privatize everything even schools, then you're accountable to no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one except the stockholders who are concerned foremost with profits and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not education.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Private prisons are some of the most mismanaged and violent prisons we have.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> According to the leftist loonies, anyway...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> According to just about everyone who doesn't own a private prison:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://time.com/5884104/prison-violence-dont-see/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.aclu.org/news/smart-justice/private-prisons-are-problem-not-solution>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://eji.org/news/prisoner-abuse-in-private-prison-transport-industry/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/bja/181249.pdf>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://systemicjustice.org/article/private-contracts-in-public-prisons-how-corporate-power-allows-for-the-exploitation-of-incarcerated-people-and-their-loved-ones/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.vox.com/2016/8/12/12454410/private-prisons-violence-investigation>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2016/e1606.pdf>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <chuckle> Leftist sources say...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> George W Bush's DoJ is a "leftist source", now?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not leftist, but pretty weak kneed...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But keep ignoring the facts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No facts, only opinions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Produce some rebuttals...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rebuttals to opinions?  Really?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Before laws protecting workers, before unions, capitalist businesses
>>>>>>>>>> abused, and mistreated workers terribly.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why in the world would you think that capitalist prisons wouldn't do so?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2020/10/how-private-prisons-profit-from-forced-labor>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Those laws apply to private prisons, dumbass.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ummmmm...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...no. They don't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'The 13th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution abolished slavery, but it
>>>>>>>> included an exception: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude shall
>>>>>>>> exist, it declares, except as punishment for a crime. Prison rights
>>>>>>>> advocates say this exception allows for forced labor in prisons.'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And the actual text:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a
>>>>>>>> punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted,
>>>>>>>> shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their
>>>>>>>> jurisdiction.'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <chuckle> Criminals need to be confined where they can't continue to
>>>>>>> prey on the people. Their unhappiness is not my concern.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you admit the laws don't apply...
>>>>>
>>>>> I admitted nothing of the sort, Asshat.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah... ...you tacitly did.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> ...and you just don't care if people are abused and exploited.
>>>>>
>>>>> Criminals do not get abused and exploited beyond their imprisonment.
>>>> So you're admitting the get abused and exploited DURING their
>>>> imprisonment...
>>>
>>> Imprisonment is not abuse and exploitation...
>>
>> Imprisonment itself isn't.
>>
>> But they are being abused and exploited WHILE imprisoned.
> 
> I don't believe that.

Interesting...

...because earlier you tried to justify it:

"Their unhappiness is not my concern."

> 
>>>> ...and you're okay with that.
>>>>
>>>> Got it.
>>>
>>> Leftists, unable to get people to agree with them, like to imagine
>>> what other people "admit."
>>
>> You SAID it: "Their unhappiness is not my concern."
> 
> I stand by that..

Which is a tacit admission that they ARE being abused and exploited.

> 
>>>> Do you thing the abuse and exploitation is meted out in accordance with
>>>> the severity of their offence?
>>>
>>> There is no abuse and exploitation.
>>
>> I provided multiple sources that disagree.
> 
> opinions are not facts....
> 
>> What have you provided?
> 
> Skepticism. I have lots more...
> 
>>>> Do you smoke pot, BTW?
>>>
>>> That would be none of your business.
>>
>> So you do...
> 
>   Leftists, unable to get people to agree with them, like to imagine
> what other people do.

Nope. It's not about that at all.