From: Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.trump,can.politics
Subject: Re: Well this won't come as any shock...
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2025 14:52:35 -0700
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
On 2025-09-06 14:49, LeftistDon'tMatter wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Sep 2025 14:14:01 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2025-09-06 14:01, LeftistDon'tMatter wrote:
>>> On Sat, 6 Sep 2025 12:07:12 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2025-09-05 23:14, LeftistDon'tMatter wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 16:57:40 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2025-09-05 16:51, LeftistDon'tMatter wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 15:54:59 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2025-09-05 15:22, LeftistDon'tMatter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 15:18:00 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-09-05 15:09, LeftistDon'tMatter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 14:38:15 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-09-05 14:22, LeftistDon'tMatter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 13:54:10 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-09-05 13:47, LeftistDon'tMatter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 12:35:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-09-05 12:15, LeftistDon'tMatter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 11:38:38 -0500, super70s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-09-05 14:35:20 +0000, Chris Voigtlander said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/2025 7:00 AM, super70s wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-09-05 12:16:54 +0000, -hh said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/25 00:40, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 4 Sep 2025 08:41:10 -0400, -hh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/3/25 18:38, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-09-03, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-09-03 15:07, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-09-03, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...to we Canadians, anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.tradingplatforms.co.uk/research/the-worlds-smartest-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nations-ranking-intelligence-in-2025/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada: 10th.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The US of A: Didn't crack the top 20.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By IQ, Canada was 11th and the US...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...25th.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, there isn't a single metric there that has the US ahead of Canada.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And Florida...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...ranks 13th in IQ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...13th from last.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/average-iq-by-state>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And how much money is the Teacher's Union and DOE getting each year?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously they are failing and have been failing for a long time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't it great that you know all the answers?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see 2 agencies getting tons of money and I see students who are not learning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is nothing more to know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The DoE doesn't teach students. Nor does it fund teachers Unions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are wasting money that obviously isn't helping students learn.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Common sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope. So much for pothead's attempt to logic correlation into causality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American kids don't need education or life preparation. They're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entitled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGAs are entitled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone else needs to lower their head, bow, and leave the country.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The right wants to use taxpayer money for vouchers instead of letting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those mostly already well off families fund their kids' private
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> education themselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My red state instituted vouchers last year and they don't even bother
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to track how much income families receiving vouchers have.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I don't need any lectures on wasteful education spending from the right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't see any reason why there should be government owned and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operated schools. When we provide housing assistance to needy people,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we don't force them to live in government barracks â we give them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Section 8 vouchers and they go find a privately provided residence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When we give food assistance, we don't force people to shop in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government commissaries â we give them SNAP and EBT cards and they shop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in commercial grocery stores like everyone else. When we provide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assistance for medical care, we don't force people to government
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clinics â we give them Medicaid and they go to private providers like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Schools should be no different.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure privatize everything even schools, then you're accountable to no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one except the stockholders who are concerned foremost with profits and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not education.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Private prisons are some of the most mismanaged and violent prisons we have.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> According to the leftist loonies, anyway...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> According to just about everyone who doesn't own a private prison:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://time.com/5884104/prison-violence-dont-see/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.aclu.org/news/smart-justice/private-prisons-are-problem-not-solution>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://eji.org/news/prisoner-abuse-in-private-prison-transport-industry/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/bja/181249.pdf>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://systemicjustice.org/article/private-contracts-in-public-prisons-how-corporate-power-allows-for-the-exploitation-of-incarcerated-people-and-their-loved-ones/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.vox.com/2016/8/12/12454410/private-prisons-violence-investigation>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2016/e1606.pdf>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <chuckle> Leftist sources say...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George W Bush's DoJ is a "leftist source", now?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not leftist, but pretty weak kneed...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But keep ignoring the facts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No facts, only opinions.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Produce some rebuttals...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rebuttals to opinions? Really?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Before laws protecting workers, before unions, capitalist businesses
>>>>>>>>>>>> abused, and mistreated workers terribly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why in the world would you think that capitalist prisons wouldn't do so?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2020/10/how-private-prisons-profit-from-forced-labor>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Those laws apply to private prisons, dumbass.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ummmmm...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...no. They don't.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'The 13th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution abolished slavery, but it
>>>>>>>>>> included an exception: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude shall
>>>>>>>>>> exist, it declares, except as punishment for a crime. Prison rights
>>>>>>>>>> advocates say this exception allows for forced labor in prisons.'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And the actual text:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a
>>>>>>>>>> punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted,
>>>>>>>>>> shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their
>>>>>>>>>> jurisdiction.'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <chuckle> Criminals need to be confined where they can't continue to
>>>>>>>>> prey on the people. Their unhappiness is not my concern.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you admit the laws don't apply...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I admitted nothing of the sort, Asshat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah... ...you tacitly did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...and you just don't care if people are abused and exploited.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Criminals do not get abused and exploited beyond their imprisonment.
>>>>>> So you're admitting the get abused and exploited DURING their
>>>>>> imprisonment...
>>>>>
>>>>> Imprisonment is not abuse and exploitation...
>>>>
>>>> Imprisonment itself isn't.
>>>>
>>>> But they are being abused and exploited WHILE imprisoned.
>>>
>>> I don't believe that.
>>
>> Interesting...
>>
>> ...because earlier you tried to justify it:
>
> Nonsense. Nio justification stated or implied.
>
>> "Their unhappiness is not my concern."
>>
>>>
>>>>>> ...and you're okay with that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Got it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Leftists, unable to get people to agree with them, like to imagine
>>>>> what other people "admit."
>>>>
>>>> You SAID it: "Their unhappiness is not my concern."
>>>
>>> I stand by that..
>>
>> Which is a tacit admission that they ARE being abused and exploited.
>
> Nonsense. I simply suggested that people in prison to be unhappy about
> being in prison which is to be expected.
>
>>>>>> Do you thing the abuse and exploitation is meted out in accordance with
>>>>>> the severity of their offence?
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no abuse and exploitation.
>>>>
>>>> I provided multiple sources that disagree.
>>>
>>> opinions are not facts....
>>>
>>>> What have you provided?
>>>
>>> Skepticism. I have lots more...
>>>
>>>>>> Do you smoke pot, BTW?
>>>>>
>>>>> That would be none of your business.
>>>>
>>>> So you do...
>>>
>>> Leftists, unable to get people to agree with them, like to imagine
>>> what other people do.
>>
>> Nope. It's not about that at all.
>>
>
> Your failures must bother you a lot.
You can't figure it out.
I understand.