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On 9/6/25 13:10, Alan wrote:
> On 2025-09-06 07:15, NoBody wrote:
>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 15:56:11 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2025-09-05 15:32, AlleyCat wrote:
>>>> [snip!] 
>>>
>>> Putting back all the refutations you snippped.
>>>
>>>> They each consume 10'000 liters (more than 2600 gallons) of crude
>>>> oil based lubricants per year.
>>> 
>>> No. They don't.
>>>
>>> (And I refuted this in detail in another post)
>>>
>>
>> Put it right here as that post does not show in my list.
>> Will you do it?
>> Of course you won't.
> 
> "'How much lubricant does a 2 MW wind turbine use in a year?
> 
> A typical 2 MW wind turbine uses approximately 80 gallons (about 300 
> liters) of lubricating oil per year for maintenance and operational 
> efficiency. This figure includes oil used in the gearbox, yaw and pitch 
> systems, braking systems, and other components requiring lubrication.'
> 
> So you were only wrong by a factor of 33, Loser!"
> 
> In message: <109clc9$1ri16$14@dont-email.me>

Plus since that POL isn't being all deliberately burned, much of it will 
be captured at end of life and recycled.
>>>> When outdated, the wind turbines are being buried deep in forests,
>>>> out of public view, due to the high costs associated with recycling
>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> A windmill could spin until it falls apart and it will NEVER, EVER
>>>> generate as much energy as it was used in building it.
>>>
>>> Sorry, but that's just false.
>>>
>>> A 2 MW wind turbine generates generates 2 MWh of electricity every hour
>>> the wind is blowing. It takes about 3,300 - 4,100 MWh of energy to build
>>> one.
>>
>> "every hour the wind is blowing".  How often does the wind
>> consistently blow.
> 
> In some places (like where they put wind farms), it's certainly blowing 
> a good percentage of the time.
Even if the site's annual duty cycle is only 20%, based on 2050 hours it 
reaches energy break-even in <2 years...first 10% of its useful life.
>>> So 1,650 - 2,050 hours of wind will pay that off.
>>
>> Show your work.
> 
> Why should I? Did Loser show any of his?
> 
>>> A year has 8,766 hours.
>>
>> Can't address the waste windmills produce I see.
> 
> Show that they produce more waste than building any other kind of 
> electrical generation.
Three Mile Island in PA is still sitting there, even after $1B was spent 
in cleanup...and it reportedly needs another +$300B to finish the job.
> Did anyone present figures for how much lubricant per MW-hr a gas 
> turbine plant uses; or a coal plant? And so on.
> 
> I already presented my source for the capital and running costs of 
> various forms of electricity, and no one has produced anything of any 
> authority to refute it:
> 
> <https://www.lazard.com/media/eijnqja3/lazards-lcoeplus-june-2025.pdf>
Likewise, I've already posted cites on how the US levelized cost of 
energy (LCOE) for wind/solar is literally half that of coal, and 25% 
less than the best natural gas (combined cycle) ...as well as 1/4th of 
nuclear.

<https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/repost-why-im-so-excited-about-solar>

And for the "but solar doesn't work at night" crowd, track battery cost 
reductions:

Their costs in 2024 have already dropped by -73% since 2017 ($614 to 
$165 /kWh)...

<https://www.energy-storage.news/behind-the-numbers-bnef-finds-40-year-on-year-drop-in-bess-costs/>

Bloomberg had been expecting costs to drop modestly in 2025 to $112, 
although this market expectation is jeopardized by Mr I_love_Tariffs.

<https://www.seattletimes.com/business/trade-wars-to-slow-battery-price-plunge-in-2025/>

Barring tariff bullshit, the core technology costs are still expected to 
drop by an additional -50% by 2030 to the $80 to $56 /kWh range.


>> "If you're a small utility or municipality and all of a sudden
>> hundreds of blades start coming to your landfill, you don't want to
>> use up your capacity for your local municipal trash for wind turbine
>> blades," he said, adding that permits for more landfill space add
>> another layer of expenses."
>>
>> https://www.npr.org/2019/09/10/759376113/unfurling-the-waste-problem- 
>> caused-by-wind-energy
> 
> 'Tackling wind turbine blade waste with innovative shredding solutions
> 
> EDGE’s HS750 shredder revolutionizes the recycling and repurposing of 
> decommissioned turbine blades'
> 
> <https://www.recyclingproductnews.com/article/42374/tackling-wind- 
> turbine-blade-waste-with-innovative-shredding-solutions>
Plus there's the Dutch company that I'd posted a link on a ~month ago on 
their blade recycling program too.


> It's not like they're all being replaced every year, doofus. Wind 
> turbines have lifespans of 20 years or more.

And its not like FF's have zero residuals either.  Consider just the 
coal ash sludge ponds across the USA leaching into our acquifers: 
there's over 1400 sites containing 2+ billion tons of very toxic waste.

On a per capita basis, that's ~13 tons coal ash per US household...and 
it is continuing to grow, by at least +1,000 lbs/household per year.

-hh