From: -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Newsgroups: alt.global-warming,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.usa.republican
Subject: Re: LOL... Can't Refute, so just snip it out!
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2025 16:49:27 -0400
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
On 9/7/25 00:20, AlleyCat wrote:
>
> On Sat, 6 Sep 2025 10:10:30 -0700, Alan says...
>
>>> "every hour the wind is blowing". How often does the wind
>>> consistently blow.
>>
>> In some places (like where they put wind farms), it's certainly blowing
>> a good percentage of the time.
>
> That smells like a claim.
>
> Show us the WindMILLS that have made up their installation cost.
Show us the format & level of detail you want, with a ROI example from
the $37B Vogtle Unit 4 powerplant in Georgia.
FYI, historically, US nuclear power plants have taken 25â30 years, but
new plants like Vogtle have uncertain financial breakeven points, with
many requiring government subsidies/guarentees. Vogtle's ROI is
estimated to be "decades".
Meantime, GA residents have been hit with +10% in surcharges to pay for it:
<https://georgiawatch.org/georgia-power-rates-public-to-pay-bulk-of-plant-vogtle-costs/>
The ROI for commercial wind farms:
"According to a 2017 report by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory
(NREL), the average payback period for a commercial wind farm in the
United States is around 7-12 years."
<https://www.turbinehub.com/post/how-long-does-a-wind-farm-take-to-pay-for-itself-off>
And that's based on 2017 cost data, which has since declined. Lower
costs mean fewer years until ROI.
FYI, this isn't the "energy to make" ROI as first discussed in this
thread, but the total project's ROI, including operating costs.
-hh