From: Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Newsgroups: alt.global-warming,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.usa.republican
Subject: Re: LOL... Can't Refute, so just snip it out!
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2025 11:30:30 -0700
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
On 2025-09-07 22:28, AlleyCat wrote:
>
> On Sun, 7 Sep 2025 16:49:27 -0400, -hh says...
>
>> "According to a 2017 report by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory
>> (NREL), the average payback period for a commercial wind farm in the
>> United States is around 7-12 years."
>
> Is that WITH maintenance AND replacement?
"FYI, this isn't the "energy to make" ROI as first discussed in this
thread, but the total project's ROI, including operating costs."
Are maintenance and replacement NOT operating costs in your world, Loser?
>
> Seems to me, those blades aren't lasting that long and maintenance is digging into "profits", so, I'm pretty sure your "report" is
> based on computer models and not REAL life.
Seems to you based on what?
From the report:
'Citations:
National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL), "Wind Energy Finance in the
United States," (2017).
Journal of Cleaner Production, "Advances in wind turbine technology: A
review," (2019).
International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA), "Renewable Cost
Database," (2020).
Energy Information Administration (EIA), "Transmission Infrastructure
Development," (2018).
American Wind Energy Association (AWEA), "Wind Energy Industry Report,"
(2016).'
So what are you basing your "pretty sure" on: your feelings?
>
> What I wanted from rich boy, was REAL life examples of specific and/or particular Windmills that have already made up their cost
> and/or will, in a not-so-distant future, instead of what money they're "supposed to" (and not just "on paper"), make.
>
> Using models is a losing proposition, since we ALL know the history of failures we have seen from modeling.
You've yet to show that anyone used models.