From: -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Newsgroups: alt.global-warming,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.usa.republican
Subject: Re: LOL... Can't Refute, so just snip it out!
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2025 18:28:52 -0400
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
On 9/8/25 14:30, Alan wrote:
> On 2025-09-07 22:28, AlleyCat wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 7 Sep 2025 16:49:27 -0400, -hh says...
>>
>>> "According to a 2017 report by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory
>>> (NREL), the average payback period for a commercial wind farm in the
>>> United States is around 7-12 years."
>>
>> Is that WITH maintenance AND replacement?
>
> "FYI, this isn't the "energy to make" ROI as first discussed in this
> thread, but the total project's ROI, including operating costs."
>
> Are maintenance and replacement NOT operating costs in your world, Loser?
Plus this was an illustration, which followed immediately after telling
AlleyCat to provide the format & level of detail they wanted by example:
"Show us the format & level of detail you want, with a ROI example from
the $37B Vogtle Unit 4 powerplant in Georgia. "
>> Seems to me, those blades aren't lasting that long and maintenance is
>> digging into "profits", so, I'm pretty sure your "report" is
>> based on computer models and not REAL life.
>
> Seems to you based on what?
From the entrails of his own hound dog that AlleyCat ran over & killed
one morning while he was drunk (again).
>> What I wanted from rich boy, was REAL life examples of specific and/or
>> particular Windmills that have already made up their cost
>> and/or will, in a not-so-distant future, instead of what money they're
>> "supposed to" (and not just "on paper"), make.
>>
>> Using models is a losing proposition, since we ALL know the history of
>> failures we have seen from modeling.
>
> You've yet to show that anyone used models.
LitterMAID has never built any models ... he was too busy sniffing the glue.
And from a reading comprehension standpoint, the narrative is clear that
the NREL was reporting on *actual historical data*, not models.
Here's a longer quite from the cite:
"According to a 2017 report by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory
(NREL), the average payback period for a commercial wind farm in the
United States is around 7-12 years. However, the payback period can be
as short as 4 years or as long as 20 years depending on the specific
project and market conditions."
TL;DR:
"...the average payback period...is around 7-12 years".
and:
"...period can be as short as 4 years or as long as 20 years..."
-hh