From: NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com>
Newsgroups: alt.global-warming,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.usa.republican
Subject: Re: LOL... Can't Refute, so just snip it out!
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2025 07:23:59 -0400
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
On Mon, 8 Sep 2025 11:30:30 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2025-09-07 22:28, AlleyCat wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 7 Sep 2025 16:49:27 -0400, -hh says...
>>
>>> "According to a 2017 report by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory
>>> (NREL), the average payback period for a commercial wind farm in the
>>> United States is around 7-12 years."
>>
>> Is that WITH maintenance AND replacement?
>
>"FYI, this isn't the "energy to make" ROI as first discussed in this
>thread, but the total project's ROI, including operating costs."
>
>Are maintenance and replacement NOT operating costs in your world, Loser?
>
C
>>
>> Seems to me, those blades aren't lasting that long and maintenance is digging into "profits", so, I'm pretty sure your "report" is
>> based on computer models and not REAL life.
>
>Seems to you based on what?
>
> From the report:
>
>'Citations:
>
>National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL), "Wind Energy Finance in the
>United States," (2017).
2017?
>
>Journal of Cleaner Production, "Advances in wind turbine technology: A
>review," (2019).
2019?
>
>International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA), "Renewable Cost
>Database," (2020).
2020?
>
>Energy Information Administration (EIA), "Transmission Infrastructure
>Development," (2018).
2018?
>
>American Wind Energy Association (AWEA), "Wind Energy Industry Report,"
>(2016).'
>
2016?
>So what are you basing your "pretty sure" on: your feelings?
Please supply direct and *current* links to support your nonsense. 8
year old links mean very little.
>
>
>>
>> What I wanted from rich boy, was REAL life examples of specific and/or particular Windmills that have already made up their cost
>> and/or will, in a not-so-distant future, instead of what money they're "supposed to" (and not just "on paper"), make.
>>
>> Using models is a losing proposition, since we ALL know the history of failures we have seen from modeling.
>
>You've yet to show that anyone used models.
You'd best support your own claims before whining that someone else
isn't.