From: -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Newsgroups: alt.global-warming,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.usa.republican
Subject: Re: LOL... Can't Refute, so just snip it out!
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2025 11:58:00 -0400
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
On 9/9/25 07:23, NoBody wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Sep 2025 11:30:30 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2025-09-07 22:28, AlleyCat wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 7 Sep 2025 16:49:27 -0400, -hh says...
>>>
>>>> "According to a 2017 report by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory
>>>> (NREL), the average payback period for a commercial wind farm in the
>>>> United States is around 7-12 years."
>>>
>>> Is that WITH maintenance AND replacement?
>>
>> "FYI, this isn't the "energy to make" ROI as first discussed in this
>> thread, but the total project's ROI, including operating costs."
>>
>> Are maintenance and replacement NOT operating costs in your world, Loser?
>>
>
>
>>>
>>> Seems to me, those blades aren't lasting that long and maintenance
>>> is digging into "profits", so, I'm pretty sure your "report" is
>>> based on computer models and not REAL life.
>>
>> Seems to you based on what?
>>
>> From the report:
>>
>> 'Citations:
>>
>> National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL), "Wind Energy Finance in the
>> United States," (2017).
>
> 2017?
>
Yup. The analysis for ROI break-even even back then was that the
average by then was just 7-12 years.
> Please supply direct and *current* links to support your nonsense. 8
> year old links mean very little.
Why? Because costs have since declined, their ROI periods can't have
gotten any worse than what they already were back in 2017.
Case in point, as per the below 2024 cite, ROI for a small 10kW system
is now down to 6-8 years, and just 4-6 years for a 20kW system:
<https://energy-elege.com/cost-effectiveness-of-different-wind-turbines-in-2024/>
TL;DR: newer cites make the case against you even stronger. Oopsie!
-hh