From: -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Newsgroups: alt.global-warming,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.usa.republican
Subject: Re: LOL... Can't Refute, So Just Snip It Out!
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2025 09:58:49 -0400
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
On 9/13/25 08:51, NoBody wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2025 22:02:13 -0500, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2025 02:04:02 +0000, Mitchell Holman says...
>>
>>>> So why is germany abandoning wind/solar power at least in part?
>>>
>>>
>>> So why are Red States the biggest
>>> users of solar and wind power?
>>
>> Uhhh... wind?
>>
>> That still doesn't mean wind is as "successful" as you might think.
>>
>> Name ONE place where energy cost has gone down, if wind is such a great addition to the power grid.
Of course, this is a disingenuous challenge, since inflation means costs
never really go down: the appropriate metric would be to look at the
rate of cost increases, and if regions with green are higher or lower
than regions where equivalent capacity growth is being installed by use
of traditional power sources.
For example, Georgia customers have already been hit with a +10% rate
increase to pay for their new nuclear plant. This datapoint means that
anyone who's been installing green sources instead can have up to a +9%
rate increase and still be DOWN relative to the traditional baseline
> He won't answer you because he knows you're right. Look at New
> Jersey's disaster experiement with wind power. 30% increase in
> utility bills and no windmills put on line. A waste of money.
How about some substantiating cites to support those claims, big boy?
Specifically, just what has NJ's actual investment spending to date in
windpower has been?
Besides Ãrsted's canceled Ocean Wind 1 & 2 projects in 2023 for just
$123M, I found a $4M program in 2009 and a $47M project in 2014: that
adds up to less than $20 per person statewide, distributed across more
than a decade, so call it on the magnitude of $2/year.
Likewise, even Fox Business says that your +30% rate increase is a lie:
"Most New Jersey households were hit with a 17-20% rate hike..."
<https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/new-jersey-residents-fury-over-soaring-energy-bills-could-hit-democrats-2026-election>
And FYI, it was primarily from higher costs incurred in the Basic
Generation Service portion, not delivery portion, which means that these
increases are due to increased costs of the *legacy* power generators.
-hh