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From: NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics,alt.politics.trump,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.usa.republican
Subject: Re: Proof that civil discourse with liberals is no longer possible
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2025 06:58:52 -0400
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider

On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 10:26:11 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2025-09-14 06:28, NoBody wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 13:03:52 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2025-09-13 06:19, NoBody wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 11 Sep 2025 13:14:31 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2025-09-11 04:48, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 15:49:30 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2025-09-10 15:22, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>> Charlie Kirk, the conservative activist and founder of Turning Point
>>>>>>>> USA, is dead after being shot during a campus event at Utah Valley
>>>>>>>> University Wednesday.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump confirmed Kirk's death in a post on Truth
>>>>>>>> Social.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The Great, and even Legendary, Charlie Kirk, is dead. No one
>>>>>>>> understood or had the Heart of the Youth in the United States of
>>>>>>>> America better than Charlie. He was loved and admired by ALL,
>>>>>>>> especially me, and now, he is no longer with us," Trump wrote.
>>>>>>>> "Melania and my Sympathies go out to his beautiful wife Erika, and
>>>>>>>> family. Charlie, we love you!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kirk died after he was taken to a hospital in critical condition after
>>>>>>>> being shot Wednesday at a Utah event, a law enforcement official told
>>>>>>>> The Associated Press.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Video posted from the event appeared to show Kirk being shot as he
>>>>>>>> spoke to the crowd from under a white pop-up tent. After the shot, the
>>>>>>>> crowd dispersed, with onlookers shouting, "Run, run, run!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Treanor said the shooting happened at about 12:20 p.m.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/us/charlie-kirk-shot-utah-event-hospitalized
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Really.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is the same true with every shooting committed by a right-winger?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You would need to draw a proper comparision.
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Right-wing extremists commit most extremist-related murders each year,
>>>>> but in 2022 such extremists committed all the murders COE has been able
>>>>> to document. The last year this was the case was 2012. White
>>>>> supremacists committed 21 of the 25 killings (84%), including five
>>>>> committed by members or associates of white supremacist prison gangs
>>>>> such as the Universal Aryan Brotherhood, the United Aryan Brotherhood or
>>>>> the Nazi Low Riders.'
>>>>
>>>> Interesting that you place these outside groups as "right-wing".
>>>>
>>>> They are not.
>>>
>>> Really? Who did they vote for do you figure?
>> 
>> Don't know and don't care.
>> Now address what I said.

Silence.

>> 
>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What "right winger" murdered a man for speaking peacefully?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah! And now you attempt to limit the scope!
>>>>
>>>> Laughter!
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But one such attempted shooting (well at least you believe it was
>>>>> genuine) was the shot allegedly fired at Trump...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...by a right-wing gunman.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cite your claim.  It is an absolute lie.
>>>
>>> 'State voter records show that Crooks was a registered Republican. The
>>> upcoming Nov. 5 election would have been the first time he was old
>>> enough to vote in a presidential race.'
>>>
>>> <https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-shooter-1.7263201>
>> 
>> Since when is a declared party for someone who hasn't voted in any
>> election an indication of one's beliefs?  I remember a very long time
>> ago when I first registered,  I actually registered as a Democrat.
>> Never have voted for a Democrat and never will.  Does that mean I'm a
>> screaming leftist?
>> 
>> Do "far right" people donate to Democrats?

Silence.

>> 
>> "After the FBI identified the gunman who shot at former President
>> Donald Trump as Thomas Matthew Crooks of Bethel Park, Pennsylvania,
>> CBS News and other outlets reviewed public records that verified that
>> he was a registered Republican who had previously donated $15 to a
>> Democratic organization via ActBlue. "
>> 
>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-shooter-thomas-crooks-donation-to-democrats-registered-republican/
>> 

Silence.

>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We don't even know who Kirk's shooter was.
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> And that is very telling that this was well planned and financed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, but by whom? You simply assume it was left-wing.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, the messages enscribed on the bullets made it quite clear.
>>>> Duh.
>>>
>>> Nope.
>> 
>> Laughter!  Of course they do.
>
>Apparently not to you...
>
>...because they point to his connections to the "groyper" movement of 
>Nick Fuentes.

LAUGHTER!

He's a gay man who lived with a transgender boyfriend.
Not exactly "right wing".

Even you don't believe what you type.

>
>> 
>> 
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I notice you failed to condemn the killing.  It says a lot about you.
>>>>>
>>>>> It says more about you that you'd find it surprising that someone
>>>>> doesn't feel an explicit need to state that he condemns ALL murders.
>>>>
>>>> Evasion noted.
>>>
>>> Your evasion of my point noted.
>> 
>> Evasion still noted.   Nice try dude.  You're not squirming out of
>> this.

Well???

>> 
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Where is your condemnation for the murder of Charlie Kirk?
>>>
>>> I condemn ALL murders.
>>>
>> 
>> Nice try.

Silence.

>> 
>> Where's you condemnation of the murder of Charlie Kirk?
>> 
>> Can't bring yourself to type it can you?
>> 
>> All we need to know.
>
>Where are you condemnations of the murders of Melissa Hortman and her 
>husband Mark?

Fairly certain I did so at the time but I will say so clearly (just
for your hypocritical self)

I condemn the murders and murderer of the Hortmans.

Your turn about Charlie Kirk.  I doubt you'll do it.


Have you condemned the Charlie Kirk murder yet?
>