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Subject: Re: LOL - Moron Thinks The President Causes Government Shutdowns - Democrats, Generally-Speaking, Shut Down The Government Because Of Their Hate And For Their Trump Derangement Syndrome
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2025 09:29:09 -0400
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider

On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 22:05:53 -0500, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 17:00:41 -0700,  Alan says...  
>
>> 
>> On 2025-10-04 15:46, AlleyCat wrote:
>> > 
>> > On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 11:18:40 -0700,  Alan says...
>> > 
>> >>> Mitchie really doesn't seem to think before he posts.  Partisanship is
>> >>> so ingrained in him that no logic is present.
>> >>
>> >> 'In 2013, then-businessman and reality TV host Donald Trump said: "A
>> >> government shutdown falls on the president's lack of leadership. I mean,
>> >> problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top. A
>> >> shutdown means the president is weak."'
>> > 
>> > So... you now value what Trump says and does and believe what he says is how it is.
>> > 
>> > Gotcha.
>
>> Nope. But you claim to value what he says...
>
>Show us where I said that.
>
>I value the truth, NOT what Trump says. I don't "value" anything he says, generally. If Trump is right, I say he right. I don't 
>"value" that. HOW does that work?
>
>Why do you put such stupid bullshit into a discussion? Because you can't refute what's being said. You have to have an angle to 
>everything.
>
>I don't CARE what Trump's OPINION is on whose "fault" or "responsibility" a government shutdown falls on. A sitting President, 
>which he was NOT at the time he said what he said, has nothing to do with whether the government shuts down or not, and you had to 
>make up more bullshit to try and make it seem I'm wrong, when I'm not.

It's all the does because he doesn't know how to debate.

>
>Tell us... HOW can a President either prevent or cause a shutdown?
>
>We won't wait for an answer from you... just your usual bullshit deflections.
>
>To the faggot bin you go. 
> 

Where he belongs honestly.

>> ...and he is directly contradicting you.
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>Nope.
>
>The President can't DO anything to shut down the government.
>
>Trump laying the BLAME on the President in an OPINION.

Before he even RAN for President...

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>I argued that: "He doesn't get a vote or the opportunity to veto", which is 100%, so you have to change the conditions to make you 
>feel you're right and I'm wrong.
>
>Good god, man... work on the self-esteem.

Oh he doesn't need any help with that...