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AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ... a low Earth orbit (LEO), not make it that far and "reach" the moon.
> 
> tl;dr
> 
> Answer: Yes, it is possible for a rifle bullet or projectile to reach the moon 
> from a low Earth orbit (LEO).
> 
> Want an answer like that? Ask the same question I did.

Already done:  to be “possible”, the bullet needs to have a muzzle velocity
of a bit over 35,000 fps, which is ~12x the nominal muzzle velocity of a
.30 cal rifle.

> On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 19:24:28 -0700,  Alan says...  
> 
>> You were wrong that a bullet fired from low earth orbit could reach the 
>> moon.
> 
> Nope.
> 
> It can, given the right trajectory and taking into account ALL of the 
> "forcings" on the projectile.

Which would be to have a “tail wind” on the rifle of ~32,000fps, so that
the cartridge then adds +2800fps to get up to 35,000+fps.

> I could have written to -hh, all of the things that would satisfy your 
> stupidity, but MOST times I'm not going to waste all that much time.

“Could have”…but the above still is far, far less than Earth’s escape
velocity, as one needs to be able to get to beyond L3 to then be captured
by the moon’s gravity well.

> Just asking, "can a bullet reach the moon?" requires a LOT more of an answer 
> than yes or no.

Particularly when the original question was a bullet fired from a rifle
down on terrestrial Earth.

> I chose to use brevity, because I'm tired of you fucking nerds who all think 
> you're physicists, and refuse to spend any more time than necessary to get my 
> point across.

Anyone care to do a word count on all of this blathering?

> You dorks can say nuh uh, all you want... THAT doesn't change the fact that 
> what I wrote was correct. Just because I don't write 5,000 words to explain my 
> point, doesn't mean I'm wrong.
> 
> AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T OFFERED A REBUTTAL TO WHAT I SAID.

Now clearly done with math, and showing where your AI search made a gross
error.  FWIW, which one was it that made this huge mistake?

> WHY is that?
> 
> Since stupid wants to ACT stupid:
> 
> Q: From a low earth orbit on a space station with had an external platform, 
> could a rifle bullet or projectile reach the moon, if all the trajectories and 
> forcing on the bullet were calculated?
> 
> A: Yes, it is possible for a rifle bullet or projectile to reach the moon from 
> a low Earth orbit (LEO). It would require extremely precise calculations and a 
> highly specialized platform.

Whatever AI you’re using got its math datapoints correct, but its
conclusion wrong, because 2800-3000fps is vastly less than the 11.2km/sec
(~35,000fps) needed:

> From a LEO space station, the distance to the moon is approximately 384,400 km 
> (238,900 miles).
> 
> To reach the moon, the bullet would need to achieve just a fraction of the 
> escape velocity from Earth, which is about 11.2 km/s (25,000 mph).
> 
> Q: I asked this question before. You said a bullet from a .30-06 could travel 
> far enough from a low earth orbit could reach the moon.
> 
> A: You are correct, I previously mentioned that a bullet from a .30-06 rifle 
> could potentially reach the moon from a low Earth orbit.
> 
> A .30-06 rifle bullet has a typical muzzle velocity of around 2,700-3,000 ft/s 
> (823-914 m/s).
>
> From a low Earth orbit, the bullet would not have to overcome the entire 
> Earth's gravity well, as it would already be in orbit.

But it still needs to overcome the rest of the gravity well.  Simply look
up what the Apollo moon missions third stage burn’s Trans-Lunar Injection
(TLI) velocities were:  “approximately 10.8 km/s or 24,000 mph at the end
of its burn, which is slightly below Earth's escape velocity of about 11.2
km/s.”

> Using some simplified calculations, I estimated that a .30-06 bullet could 
> potentially travel far enough to reach the moon.

Which were too simplified.

> However, there are many factors that would affect the bullet's trajectory, 
> such as:
> 
> Atmospheric drag: Although minimal in LEO, atmospheric drag would still affect 
> the bullet's trajectory.
> 
> Gravity: The Earth's gravity would still be affecting the bullet's trajectory, 
> even in LEO.

Gravity is far too big to ignore, as per above’s minimum velocity
requirement for Trans-Lunar Injection of ~11kps.

> Stability and control: The bullet's stability and control during flight would 
> be crucial to ensure it reaches the moon.
> 
> Please keep in mind that this is still a highly hypothetical scenario, and 
> many technical and practical challenges would need to be overcome.
> 
> So... fuck off, and...
> 
> PLONK!

“Sir Robin ran away…”

>> You were wrong that being in orbit means you are no longer in Earth's 
>> gravity.
> 
> I never said that. I said you would be weightless, which IS correct and no 
> manner of your pedanticism and being obtuse can change that. The gravity pull, 
> even in LEO is almost undetectable, meaning you are essentially weightless.

Just because human perception can’t feel it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

>>>>> Good to know, but what, EXACTLY, does that have to do with a deer stand
>>>>> and a possible assassination attempt in the making?
>>> 
>>>> There is no evidence to support a "possible assassination attempt".
>>> 
>>> There is no evidence NOT to support it being a platform for a "possible
>>> assassination attempt", is there?
>> 
>> That's not the way evidence works, Loser.
> 
> Uhhh... yes it is. All you have to do is come up with a better theory, after 
> gathering FACTS, like, finding the owner of said stand and finding out if it 
> was INDEED a deer stand used for hunting.

Also already done: teens who’d built a “tree fort” some years ago to play
in.  

> Just because YOU'RE too lazy to look shit up to find alternate theories, 
> doesn't mean they don't exist.  

Such as how LitterMaid has been ignoring that kids do play & in the woods.

Plus even if it was for a shooter, its intent could have also been for
hunting green iguanas/etc instead of for deer.

> You don't have ANY information, yay or nay, so I can go with whatever the fuck 
> theory I want, and there's not a damn thing you faggots can do about it, 
> except whine, like the pussies you are.

The LitterMaid whiner is being VERY long winded today!  It’s a desperate
scramble for them to keep on giving blowjobs to Trump.

>>> WHO has come forward and told The USSS that's NOT a place a possible
>>> assassination attempt could be made from?
>>> 
>>> No one, stupid.
>>> 
>>> There is no evidence to support it being a deer/tree stand, knowing WHERE it
>>> is.
>>> 
>>> Also... there is no evidence to NOT support it being a "possible assassination
>>> attempt", because faggot... YOU don't know WHY it's there, so it CAN possibly
>>> be a "sniper's nest", knowing WHERE it is and what it CAN'T be... a deer
>>> stand.
>>> 
>>> Give us YOUR thoughts. Why is a deer/tree stand...
>>> 
>>> A.)	so near an airport?    I'm sure there is "NO HUNTING" allowed near
>>> there.
>> 
>> How are you so "sure"?
> 
> Show me a place it's legal to hunt THAT near homes and offices.
> 
> Play stupid.
> 
> PLONK!

“…he bravely ran away, he did…”

>>> B.)	next to an office complex? I'm sure there is "NO HUNTING" allowed near
>>> there.
>> 
>> Is it "next to an office complex"? Show that please.
>> 
>>> 
>>> C.)	so damn near in the back yard of people living in a nearby neighborhood?
>>> I'm sure there is "NO HUNTING" allowed near there.
>> 
>> Show that it was a hunting stand at all.
> 
> Show me that it's not. If not...
> 
> PLONK!

“…he done buggered off!”

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZwuTo7zKM8>

-hh