From: AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics,alt.politics.trump,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.usa.republican
Subject: The Question Is, Why Did They Lie By Omission? - Obama's Record On Arrested And Detained American Citizens
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2025 19:51:43 -0500
Organization: AlleyCat Computing, Inc.
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 10:51:18 -0700, Alan says...
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> The question is why you believe the lies:
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> Noem:
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> "No American citizens have been arrested or detained."
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> <https://www.threads.com/@aaron.rupar/post/DQcO7jpCQJk>
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> "We Found That More Than 170 U.S. Citizens Have Been Held by Immigration
> Agents. They?ve Been Kicked, Dragged and Detained for Days."
>
> <https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will>
"We Found That More Than 170 U.S. Citizens Have Been Held By Immigration
Agents"
Wow!
That's a lot!
WHY didn't Obama tell us about the U.S. citizens HE arrested and detained?
Were his lies somehow less severe than YOU say Noem's are?
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According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS), during the Obama
administration (2009-2017), approximately 3.5 million illegal immigrants were
deported.
Detention and Arrest Data:
The DHS reports that during the Obama administration:
Over 1.2 million individuals were detained in fiscal year 2014 alone.
Over 400,000 individuals were detained in fiscal year 2015.
Regarding the detention and arrest of legal US citizens, THERE HAVE BEEN
INSTANCES WHERE CITIZENS WERE MISTAKENLY DETAINED OR ARRESTED BY IMMIGRATION
AUTHORITIES.
2014: 11,000 US citizens were detained or arrested by U.S. Customs and Border
Protection (CBP) and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) for an
average of 1.5 days.
Eleven THOUSAND. And that's in ONE year.
Citizens WRONGLY DETAINED OR ARRESTED:
Some notable cases of US citizens being wrongly detained or arrested by
immigration authorities during the Obama administration include:
Matthew Carrington: A US citizen who was detained by ICE in 2010 and held for
4 days.
Ruben Garcia Ramirez: A US citizen who was detained by ICE in 2014 and held
for 3 days.
Lawsuits and settlements:
There have been several lawsuits filed against the Obama administration and
immigration authorities, alleging that citizens were wrongly detained or
arrested.
2017: $450,000 settlement: The US government settled a lawsuit with a US
citizen who was wrongly detained by ICE.
Sources:
U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS): Provides data and information on
detention and deportation statistics.
American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU): Provides information on lawsuits and
advocacy efforts related to detention and arrest practices.
The New York Times: Reported on cases of US citizens being wrongly detained or
arrested by immigration authorities.
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"Trump Derangement Syndrome" Is a Real Mental Condition
All you need to know about "Trump Derangement Syndrome," or TDS.
"Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is a mental condition in which a person has
been driven effectively insane due to their dislike of Donald Trump, to the
point at which they will abandon all logic and reason."
Justin Raimondo, the editorial director of Antiwar.com, wrote a piece in the
Los Angeles Times in 2016 that broke TDS down into three distinct phases or
stages:
"In the first stage of the disease, victims lose all sense of proportion. The
president-elect's every tweet provokes a firestorm, as if 140 characters were
all it took to change the world."
"The mid-level stages of TDS have a profound effect on the victim's
vocabulary: Sufferers speak a distinctive language consisting solely of
hyperbole."
"As TDS progresses, the afflicted lose the ability to distinguish fantasy from
reality."
The Point here is simple: TDS is, in the eyes of its adherents, the knee-jerk
opposition from liberals to anything and everything Trump does. If Trump
announced he was donating every dollar he's ever made, TDS sufferers would
suggest he was up to something nefarious, according to the logic of TDS.
There's nothing - not. one. thing. - that Trump could do or say that would be
received positively by TDSers.
The history of Trump Derangement Syndrome actually goes back to the early
2000s - a time when the idea of Trump as president was a punch line for late-
night comics and nothing more.
Wikipedia traces its roots to "Bush Derangement Syndrome" - a term first
coined by the late conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer back in 2003.
The condition, as Krauthammer defined it, was "the acute onset of paranoia in
otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency - nay -
the very existence of George W. Bush."