From: AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics,alt.politics.trump,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.usa.republican
Subject: Re: Why Does Kristi Noem Tell Lies? - Maybe She Learned From Obama And Biden?
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2025 22:37:12 -0600
Organization: AlleyCat Computing, Inc.
On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 19:27:00 -0800, Alan says...
> > WHY didn't Obama tell us about the U.S. citizens HE arrested and detained?
> >
> > Were his lies somehow less severe than Noem's?
> So whataboutism is all you've got?
Whining about whataboutisms is all you've got?
The FACT is, you faggots are whining about 170 U.S. citizens being detained by
ICE, when NONE of you whined about Obama's or Biden's numbers.
A whataboutism IS fair play here, because NONE of you whined about Obama's ICE
arresting and detaining citizens.
You don't think pointing out hypocrisy on a topic is relevant?
I pretty sure you do, since you HAVE called out hypocrisy and called other
hypocrites.
It matters not, whether YOU think it's a "whataboutism" or not. It's part of
the record, thus NEEDING to be mentioned to show that there is NO precedent
under Trump and ICE in particular.
I, or anyone else, said it was a lie... did we?
Nope.
I just pointed out that you and others were being hypocrites. What I posted
about Obama and Biden's ICE, was not meant to be a refutation for what Trump's
ICE has done, nor whether Noem is lying.
You are the KING of changing from the topic, to the minutiae. I figured you
would give me at least a "job, well done". ;-)
> You know she's lying but it doesn't matter?
Sorry... that's no longer the topic. I changed the terms of the discussion,
EXACTLY as you do, so... irrelevant IF she is.
Do you KNOW she is?
I really do not. I don't have ANY idea whether Noem is lying, per se. From
what she said, she might have an alternate reason for saying what she said,
other than it being a lie.
Maybe she meant that none have actually been arrested and prosecuted without
due cause or detained indefinitely or for more than a period longer than it
would take to find out their legal status?
Unlike you liberals, I do not pretend to read people's minds. At face value, I
can see what it "looks" like.
I am not making excuses if she did, indeed, mean to lie and mislead.
However...
Again, I heard (saw) ZERO whining about Obama's and Biden's U.S. citizens
being arrested and detained, so NO "whataboutism".
If you (editorial) are going to whine about Trump's ICE, be prepared to at
least "mea culpa" when confronted about what Obama and Biden's ICE have done,
and to greater extremes, no less.