From: "Oleg Smirnov" <os333@netc.eu>
Newsgroups: can.politics,alt.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Austrisize Ukraine
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2025 19:10:39 +0300
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Dhu on Gate, <news:10gopvr$gncg$5@dont-email.me>
> It doesn't get mentioned because everyone wants to blame Gengis
> and the Mongols, but the MAIN difference between Russian and
> Ukrainian was an affliction of the Austro-Hungarian Empire:
> Ukraine was controlled by Vienna, Russia by Moscow.
>
> And it seems to me that the guys who settled WW2 understood the
> importance of making (a shrunken) Austria a Neutral and Independant
> buffer zone.
>
> Making Peace in Ukraine, and turning it into a decent place to live,
> should be as easy as Austro-sizing Ukraine, not ostracizing Russia.
The post-Soviet Ukraine is culturally, regionally diverse. Few
times before I already posted this <https://tinyurl.com/nwfy26d>
map, - it's pretty accurate. Every area has its specificity. A
complete description of the history of all the areas would take
many thick books. In the Atlanticist popular discourse today, the
history of the Ukraine is nearly totally misinterpreted and / or
falsified in order to serve the current political agenda.
In fact, only a small, the most western part of the present day
Ukraine was controlled by Vienna. It was appended to the Soviet
Ukraine as a result of the WW2, and today many see that decision
as a big Stalin's mistake. The region is culturally pretty alien
to the rest. In the post-Soviet time, namely this area gave rise
to the cult of nostalgic imitation of the German-Austrian Nazis,
which later also infected far-right factions in other regions.
Psychologically, the west-Ukrainian mania to mimic the Germanic
Nazis means the desire of a former slave to mimic their former
master, since within the Austro-Hungarian state the status of the
ethnic Ukrainians were sort of lowest caste.
Central Ukraine had no relation to Austria. But there was Polish
colonization for 3 centuries, including within the Russian Empire.
After the partition of Poland, imperial policies didn't somehow
change the situation when the class of landlords (serf owners) in
a large part of this territory was ethnically-culturally Polish.
What is south / east of the present day Ukraine never was really
Ukrainian but it was 'gifted' to the Soviet Ukrainian Republic by
the early-Soviet government in the 1920s. Before the 18th century,
the steppes (wild fields) were rarely populated and controlled by
Turkic nomads under Crimean/Ottoman rule. That's another story.
Besides these specifying remarks, the idea for - the remnants of -
the Ukraine to be 'neutral / independant buffer zone' makes sense,
of course.