From: lomonosov <bubbles@in.valid>
Newsgroups: or.politics,seattle.politics,alt.economics,can.politics
Subject: Re: Canada's socialized health care
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2025 12:17:27 -0700
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
On Wed, 3 Dec 2025 10:59:38 -0800
a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Ryan Williams Bay of Quinte
> onSseopdtr4c
> =C2=B7
> =F0=9F=87=A8=F0=9F=87=A6 Canada=E2=80=99s Wait-Time Crisis Compared to th=
e World
> here are the wait times:
>=20
> =F0=9F=87=A8=F0=9F=87=A6 Canada
> =E2=80=A2 MRI: 80=E2=80=9390 days average
> =E2=80=A2 CT: 60=E2=80=9370 days
> =E2=80=A2 Surgery: 30 weeks median wait
> =E2=80=A2 Deaths while waiting: 23,746
> =F0=9F=87=B5=F0=9F=87=B1 Poland
> =E2=80=A2 MRI: 7=E2=80=9314 days (private pathway)
> =E2=80=A2 CT: Same week with private option
> =E2=80=A2 Surgeries: Weeks, not months
> =E2=80=A2 Deaths while waiting: tiny fraction of Canada
> =F0=9F=87=BA=F0=9F=87=B8 United States
> =E2=80=A2 MRI: 24=E2=80=9348 hours (insured)
> =E2=80=A2 CT: Same day
> =E2=80=A2 Surgeries: Days or weeks
> =E2=80=A2 Deaths while waiting: not tracked=E2=80=A6 because wait-lists a=
re rare
> =F0=9F=87=AC=F0=9F=87=A7 United Kingdom (NHS)
> =E2=80=A2 MRI: 25=E2=80=9335 days
> =E2=80=A2 CT: 1=E2=80=933 weeks
> =E2=80=A2 Surgeries: long waits, but far fewer die waiting
> =E2=80=A2 Deaths while waiting: =E2=89=88310
> Now the real problem=E2=80=A6
> =E2=B8=BB
> =F0=9F=87=A8=F0=9F=87=A6 23,746 Canadians died waiting for surgery or sca=
ns last year
> This is not normal.
> This is not happening anywhere else in the developed world.
> And it=E2=80=99s getting worse.
> =E2=B8=BB
> =F0=9F=87=A8=F0=9F=87=A6 Canada
> 23,746 deaths while on wait-lists (2024=E2=80=9325).
> Months for MRIs. Months for CTs. Months for surgery.
> The longest waits in the developed world=E2=80=A6 and the highest death t=
oll=20
> from delays.
> =E2=B8=BB
> =F0=9F=87=B5=F0=9F=87=B1 Poland
> Public system with a legal private option=E2=80=A6
> =E2=80=A2 MRI in 7=E2=80=9314 days
> =E2=80=A2 Surgeries in weeks, not half-a-year
> No national crisis of patients dying waiting for care.
> Poland proves that choice shortens waits.
> =E2=B8=BB
> =F0=9F=87=BA=F0=9F=87=B8 United States
> The US issues are about cost =E2=80=94 not speed.
> Urgent care is immediate. Elective surgery is fast.
> They don=E2=80=99t track =E2=80=9Cdied waiting for surgery=E2=80=9D becau=
se wait-lists almost=20
> never exist.
> =E2=B8=BB
> =F0=9F=87=AC=F0=9F=87=A7 United Kingdom (NHS)
> Even a struggling NHS reports =E2=89=88310 deaths linked to delayed major
> surgery. Canada: 23,746.
> The gap is staggering.
> =E2=B8=BB
> =F0=9F=93=8C The truth
> Canada now has:
> =E2=80=A2 the slowest system,
> =E2=80=A2 the longest waits, and
> =E2=80=A2 the highest number of deaths from delayed care in the developed
> world.
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