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From: Webbster <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com>
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: Canada's socialized health care
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2025 05:16:32 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider

Dhu on Gate <campbell@neotext.ca> wrote in
news:10gt4a2$3dd90$4@dont-email.me: 

> On Wed, 3 Dec 2025 12:17:27 -0700, lomonosov wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 3 Dec 2025 10:59:38 -0800
>> a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Ryan Williams Bay of Quinte
>>> onSseopdtr4c
>>>   ·
>>> 🇨🇦 Canada’s Wait-Time Crisis Compared to the World
>>> here are the wait times:
>>> 
>>> 🇨🇦 Canada
>>> • MRI: 80–90 days average
>>> • CT: 60–70 days
>>> • Surgery: 30 weeks median wait
>>> • Deaths while waiting: 23,746
>>> 🇵🇱 Poland
>>> • MRI: 7–14 days (private pathway)
>>> • CT: Same week with private option
>>> • Surgeries: Weeks, not months
>>> • Deaths while waiting: tiny fraction of Canada
>>> 🇺🇸 United States
>>> • MRI: 24–48 hours (insured)
>>> • CT: Same day
>>> • Surgeries: Days or weeks
>>> • Deaths while waiting: not tracked… because wait-lists are rare
>>> 🇬🇧 United Kingdom (NHS)
>>> • MRI: 25–35 days
>>> • CT: 1–3 weeks
>>> • Surgeries: long waits, but far fewer die waiting
>>> • Deaths while waiting: ≈310
>>> Now the real problem…
>>> ⸻
>>> 🇨🇦 23,746 Canadians died waiting for surgery or scans last
>>> year This is not normal.
>>> This is not happening anywhere else in the developed world.
>>> And it’s getting worse.
>>> ⸻
>>> 🇨🇦 Canada
>>> 23,746 deaths while on wait-lists (2024–25).
>>> Months for MRIs. Months for CTs. Months for surgery.
>>> The longest waits in the developed world… and the highest death
>>> toll from delays.
>>> ⸻
>>> 🇵🇱 Poland
>>> Public system with a legal private option…
>>> • MRI in 7–14 days
>>> • Surgeries in weeks, not half-a-year
>>> No national crisis of patients dying waiting for care.
>>> Poland proves that choice shortens waits.
>>> ⸻
>>> 🇺🇸 United States
>>> The US issues are about cost — not speed.
>>> Urgent care is immediate. Elective surgery is fast.
>>> They don’t track “died waiting for surgery” because wait-lists
>>> almost never exist.
>>> ⸻
>>> 🇬🇧 United Kingdom (NHS)
>>> Even a struggling NHS reports ≈310 deaths linked to delayed major
>>> surgery. Canada: 23,746.
>>> The gap is staggering.
>>> ⸻
>>> 📌 The truth
>>> Canada now has:
>>> • the slowest system,
>>> • the longest waits, and
>>> • the highest number of deaths from delayed care in the developed
>>> world.
>> 
>> + 1
>> 
>> FYI
> 
> Both China and Russia have better health care and education today 
> than anything America has had.  Rich Chinese don't have to swim 
> in a sea of illiterate, sickly, commons to enjoy Civilization.
> 
You can talk about wait times and all that shit, but the US is at the bottom on 
virtually every health measure.  People in other countries live longer, lower infant 
and maternal deaths, etc.  AND the US spends more on healthcare than those othe 
countries,

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