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"Dr. Rocktor" <drr@in.valid> wrote in news:20251210123710.7f0ba48e@z-z:

> On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 19:12:30 +0000
> Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
> 
>> "Dr. Rocktor" <drr@in.valid> wrote in
>> news:20251210115911.7ebfd2b7@z-z:
>> 
>> > On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 14:27:27 +0000
>> > Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>> >   
>> >> JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in
>> >> news:10hb15v$1a61s$2@dont-email.me: 
>> >> > On 12/9/25 10:43 PM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
>> >> >     
>> >> >> On the other hand, AGW might not be a bad idea.
>> >> >> I grew up listening to a Paleo Botanist maunder
>> >> >> on about climate change, which is REAL.  The last
>> >> >> 3mil years have been *cooler* and *drier* than normal
>> >> >> for this planet's biology.     
>> >> > 
>> >> > We're inside of an ice age.
>> >> > 
>> >> > Approximately 3 million years ago, and through the process of
>> >> > plate tectonics, the Isthmus of Panama formed. This changed
>> >> > the circulation of ocean water over the globe. Most of the
>> >> > sun's energy falls along the equator and then is distributed
>> >> > around the globe via currents...
>> >> > 
>> >> > It took hundreds of thousands of years but eventually deep
>> >> > ocean temperatures fell significantly and we were inside of
>> >> > a new ice age:  The Quaternary Period.
>> >> > 
>> >> > At present, the Quaternary ice age is characterized by a
>> >> > glacial/interglacial cycle. The glacial periods are what
>> >> > people MISTAKENLY think of as ice ages. The interglacials
>> >> > are exactly as they sound -- a warm period between two
>> >> > glacial periods.
>> >> > 
>> >> > The interglacial we all live inside is call the Holocene.
>> >> > 
>> >> > The Holocene is NOT a particular warm interglacial. It's
>> >> > actually cool. It's several degrees C below the last
>> >> > interglacial, the Eemain, and sea level is approximately
>> >> > 16 feet lower.
>> >> > 
>> >> > The Holocene is due to end. The Holocene is overdue to
>> >> > end!  And, no, not because of Gwobull Warbling. It was
>> >> > already overdue to end in Roman times... pre Roman times!
>> >> >     
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> The GOP Climate Change Playbook:  
>> > 
>> > Why are you incapable of addressing actual scientific data and
>> > observations?  
>> 
>> 
>>    Since when do the climate change 
>> deniers care about scientific data?
> 
> 
> <sigh...>
> 
> Communicating with low wattage partisan polemicists is so tiring.
> 
> https://www.nas.org/blogs/press_release/estimated_40_percent_of_scienti
> sts_doubt_manmade_global_warming 
> 
> Asked what he would like to see happen in regard to public opinion and
> policy on climate change, Singer replied, 
> 
> I would like to see the public look upon global warming as just
> another scientific controversy and oppose any public policies until
> the major issues are settled, such as the cause. If mostly natural, as
> NIPCC concludes, then the public policies currently discussed are
> pointless, hugely expensive, and wasteful of resources that could
> better be applied to real societal problems. 
> 
> NIPCC is the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change,
> another group established by Singer. 


   
    Climate change denial, coming from the 
same people who deny any health risks from
smoking. 



"The 2008 NIPCC document titled Nature, Not 
Human Activity Rules the Climate: Summary for 
Policymakers of the Report of the Nongovernmental 
International Panel of Climate Change, published 
by The Heartland Institute,was released in February–
March 2008.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nongovernmental_International_Panel_on_Clim
ate_Change

The Heartland Institute is an American conservative 
and libertarian 501(c)(3) nonprofit public policy 
think tank known for its rejection of both the 
scientific consensus on climate change and the 
negative health impacts of smoking.

Founded in 1984, it worked with tobacco company 
Philip Morris throughout the 1990s to attempt to 
discredit the health risks of secondhand smoke 
and lobby against smoking bans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartland_Institute





In 2009 NIPCC published Climate
> Change Reconsidered,an 880-page report on scientific research that
> contradicts the models of man-made global warming. Singer believes
> that global warming exists but that human contributions to it are
> minimal. In the interview Singer said he believed his efforts in the
> last twenty years had been successful in disproving the notion that
> “the science is settled.” 
> 
> Singer continues his work in the sciences, focusing lately on
> geophysical research and the Earth’s atmosphere. He is professor
> emeritus of environmental science at the University  of Virginia, and
> he was the founding Dean of the School of Environmental and Planetary
> Sciences at the University of Miami (1964-1967) and the Director of
> the Center for Atmospheric and Space Physics University of Maryland
> (1953-1962). 
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