From: Attila <prochoice@here.now>
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Subject: Re: More on Trump Derangement and I.C.E.
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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2025 16:48:48 -0500
On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 10:15:55 -0800, Kenito Benito
<Kenito@Benito.naw> in alt.atheism with message-id
<72brjkh1ncd9kljnbeduqvd3nb9dk5lsro@4ax.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 07:57:20 -0500, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 03:32:43 -0800, Kenito Benito
>><Kenito@Benito.naw> in alt.atheism with message-id
>><ujjqjkp2rb5l70oavmsddk8s0lbjuooopb@4ax.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 06:10:12 -0500, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 23:06:14 +0000, REAL Tall Henry
>>>><not@home.org> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>><ku7pjk1d62d2pctn92p329k0bmqgv9as25@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 16:50:29 -0500, Loose Cannon <efberg73@gmx.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 00:13:28 -0800, Michael Ejercito
>>>>>><MEjercit@HotMail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>https://ethicsalarms.com/2025/12/11/more-on-trump-derangement-and-i-c-e/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>More on Trump Derangement and I.C.E.
>>>>>>>December 11, 2025 / Jack Marshall
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <SNIP COON DRIVEL>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The only derangement is you. You follow a known quack like a baby duck
>>>>>>and its mother, licking his ass along the way. You find your
>>>>>>'opinions' reading plagiarized nonsense from apes, and you continue to
>>>>>>deny your presence at the Queen Mary parking lot. That's derangement!
>>>>>
>>>>>Yup.
>>>>>
>>>>>Indeed.
>>>>>
>>>>>It sure, is.
>>>>>
>>>>>etc.
>>>>
>>>>TDR is real and can be found in many places.
>>>
>>> Pardon my ignorance, but what is TDR?
>>
>>The result of my not proof-reading my comment.
>>
>>TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome.
>>
>
> That makes much more sense.
Yes, it does. Sorry about that.
>
>>>
>>>>ICE is doing
>>>>what they are required to do under federal law as passed by
>>>>Congress and signed by the President.
>>>>
>>>>Exactly what is ICE doing that is illegal?
>>>
>>> Deporting people WITHOUT due process.
>>
>>They came here without any due process.
>
> Yet we have learned, and are learning, of MANY who were here
>legally being deported.
Even when they showed documentation supporting their status?
> When refugees come here and are granted asylum, they're legal.
With limitations. Legal status is not a permanent key to
the vault.
>They may violate a law, or laws, that causes that protection to be
>removed. But without due process, how can we know they committed such
>an act?
> Without due process, there is no means for them to prove they are
>here legally. ICE could grab you and deport you, claiming you're
>actually illegal. Without due process, you couldn't present evidence
>proving that you are legal.
I can show it to anyone upon request. I doubt anyone using
documentation to support legal status is being deported
without due process.
>
>>Why should they get
>>the legal protection of a legal citizen?
>
> Everyone within the boarders has a Constitutional right to due
>process. Please see Shaughnessy v. United States ex rel. Mezei, 345
>U.S. 206, 212 (1953), Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202, 215 (1982), and
>Zadvydas v. Davis, 533 U.S. 678, 693 (2001). The last one is, perhaps,
>the best since it holds that due process applies to all persons within
>the United States, including aliens, whether their presence here is
>lawful, or not.
> You will note the Constitution states in the Fifth Amendment, the
>ones SCOTUS used, all PERSONS, not all citizens.
> You are certainly free to lobby for an amendment that restricts,
>or eliminates the right to Due Process. I don't think you will find
>successes, but you guarantee failure if you don't try.
> You may also file a writ of certiorari, either yourself or
>through a lawyer, to argue to have a new ruling that negates the
>previous ones.
I suspect SCOTUS might reach a different conclusion post
Biden invasion.
--
Every person in the US is here either
legally or illegally. Those that are
here illegally should be afraid.
Be very afraid. It does not matter
how long you have been here. It does
not matter why you are here. It does not
matter what you have done legally while you
were here. It does not matter what any
relative may have done while you were here.
It only matters that you are here illegally.
It may take a day, a week, a year, or longer
but we will find you and we will deport you.
Be prepared.
Deport them all.
Due process:
Q. Are you here legally? If so, where is
the documentation to establish that?
All politicians are trained to lie
and make those lies sound like
the truth. They start with the biggest
lie of all: Politicians are public
servants.
The Dims have an appropriate party
symbol: A jackass.
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.
I support:
A Constitional Amendment establishing
the Freedom of Choice.
The elimination of public expression,
display or support of religion or
religious positions.